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Moonshot

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Skipton is not sizeable, it's a small market town. In fact Carlisle is barely sizeable. There is no major population centre between Leeds and Glasgow going that way. You'd serve far more people by going via the ECML, but then of course you're making the journey even longer.

The reason the SC is slow is because there's quite a bit of slow freight on the line and few or no overtaking opportunities.

Its a curious paradox on this thread that posters are stating what they would like to see in terms of passenger services. Eagle has just mentioned freight.....and in fact a question which might involve a bit more thinking about is " What passenger services do you think we should give up so that freight could have greater access ? "

This would appear to be a bit more challenging - I d be interested to see just what views actually appear on here
 
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What route would a potential Glasgow-Nottingham service take? S&C to Leeds then reversing out of Leeds and heading down the MML (via/avoiding Doncaster)?

Re-extension of CrossCountry services from Reading to Gatwick Airport and Brighton?

Whitehall Curve, avoid Leeds altogether.
 

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Not a chance anymore at least via Weedon.

Brighton to Rugby

Not a chance anymore via the Brighton Mainline as it is overloaded and overcrowded already. Plus it's not the end of the world to change at Clapham Junction for Milton Keynes Service
 

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Leeds - Castleford - York

Perhaps this is the route the Blackpool - York (extended to Scarborough) could run once the main TP route is wired
 

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Buttsy ....how long has it took you to stand on 612 station platforms ? Thats some achievement !!
 

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Buttsy ....how long has it took you to stand on 612 station platforms ? Thats some achievement !!

First one was Oxford in the early 70s when I was just a toddler.

I now plan journeys to add a few new ones in. Feltham and Egham were done on the way back from a Wimbledon - Oxford match.

To give you some idea how I've travelled, the only major route I've yet to travel on is Cardiff - Ebbw Vale Parkway
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Coventry - Stratford-upon-Avon
 
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Leeds - Castleford - York

Perhaps this is the route the Blackpool - York (extended to Scarborough) could run once the main TP route is wired

I have always thought that this should be a route, stopping Castleford, Sherburn in Elmet, Church Fenton and York.

Peak stops at Ulleskelf and Woodlesford.

Benefits, more services to York from Church Fenton and Sherburn in Elmet, new Leeds service for Sherburn in Elmet, connection to York for Castleford.

Would certainly require second platform at Castleford. But it is something i think should be a medium term aspiration. (ie CP6)
 

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Yes it is a little bit. I think better links to the west rather than east, they can use Sheffield/Derby for connections North.

I would like to state that on a Sunday the Sheffield-Carlisle service, both ways it arrives full and at least 1/3 of the people stay on the train. Not bad for a once a week service.

I echo others saying local services Newcastle-Edinburgh ECML. May need more loops though.

The current Sheffield - Carlisle service is very attractively timed for those wanting a day out in the countryside (or just a scenic train service and then a couple of hours in Carlisle), but I don't know if there'd be week-round demand.

Which stations are currently underserved on the ECML north of Newcastle? Most get a reasonable service, the biggest "problem" is probably the lack of clockface times and the lack of services *between* them (e.g. Alnmouth to Berwick or Morpeth ought to be a reasonable flow, but many Alnmouth services fail to stop at either of the other stations).

The difficulty is that any "local" service is going to be snared up between the current fast ones (which may be even faster if they can now avoid stopping at places like Alnmouth).

The station which I think does worst on that section of line would be Mussleburgh - but then I was a big fan of the GNER pipe-dream for an East Lothian Parkway - am sure there's a decent market there for people who don't fancy driving into Edinburgh (albeit slightly tempered by the opening of Newcraighall).

"What passenger services do you think we should give up so that freight could have greater access ?"

Interesting question.

I think that a number of lines have seen a big increase in passenger frequency since privatisation, often at the "cost" of running smaller trains (Operation Princess, four coach 158s replaced by three coach 170/185s on FST/TPE services etc).

Whilst there's a (marginal) benefit for passengers, that means a lot fewer paths for freight. Maybe we should introduce a (minimum) limit on train length on some lines to free up freight paths - like five coach 180s on the ECML south of Doncaster being forced to double up?

Leeds - Castleford - York

Castleford - York would make more sense as an extension of the current slow service from Sheffield to Castleford (via Barnsley) or an extension of the current Huddersfield - Wakefield service (extended to Castleford in place of the current slow service from Barnsley previously mentioned), as there may be more "longer distance" passengers attracted to that (i.e. nobody from Leeds is going to sit on a DMU to York that takes an hour to go via Castleford when there's a regular fast service via Garforth).
 

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So you want to avoid the largest station on the route?

I was thinking of it as a through train for Nottingham - Carlisle, there is no shortage of Leeds to Carlisle. (Re your last post in the East Coast to Carlisle)....
 

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What about Glasgow Queen Street to Newcastle?

Once EGIP is complete, the journey time from Glasgow to Edinburgh will be cut to 35 minutes; make it fast, calling at only Falkirk, Haymarket and Edinburgh, and you could be looking at sub-2hrs, compared to the current 2'30" via XC or EC from Central (and let's not even mention the services via Dumfries...)

Not sure if the Glasgow-Edinburgh line would have the capacity, mind you.
 

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What about Glasgow Queen Street to Newcastle?

Once EGIP is complete, the journey time from Glasgow to Edinburgh will be cut to 35 minutes; make it fast, calling at only Falkirk, Haymarket and Edinburgh, and you could be looking at sub-2hrs, compared to the current 2'30" via XC or EC from Central (and let's not even mention the services via Dumfries...)

Not sure if the Glasgow-Edinburgh line would have the capacity, mind you.

I thought that was the calling pattern anyway between Glasgow and Edinburgh?
 

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Answers in Bold.

The current Sheffield - Carlisle service is very attractively timed for those wanting a day out in the countryside (or just a scenic train service and then a couple of hours in Carlisle), but I don't know if there'd be week-round demand.

I think the main demand is for Leeds-Skipton to Wakefield Barnsley from viewing the figures myself while travelling on the train. Not Carlisle Sheffield i know that doesn't need a link, i think it is a handy way of increasing connectivity is all.

Which stations are currently underserved on the ECML north of Newcastle? Most get a reasonable service, the biggest "problem" is probably the lack of clockface times and the lack of services *between* them (e.g. Alnmouth to Berwick or Morpeth ought to be a reasonable flow, but many Alnmouth services fail to stop at either of the other stations).

The difficulty is that any "local" service is going to be snared up between the current fast ones (which may be even faster if they can now avoid stopping at places like Alnmouth).

The station which I think does worst on that section of line would be Mussleburgh - but then I was a big fan of the GNER pipe-dream for an East Lothian Parkway - am sure there's a decent market there for people who don't fancy driving into Edinburgh (albeit slightly tempered by the opening of Newcraighall).

You have actually explain my reasoning for this service. It would of course have to be a 110mph EMU running the service, but i think with the loop near Morpeth and the Dunbar loop a two hourly service would be possible. Newcastle, Morpeth, Alnmouth, Berwick, Dunbar, A station to act as East Lothian Parkway and Edinburgh.
Interesting question.

I think that a number of lines have seen a big increase in passenger frequency since privatisation, often at the "cost" of running smaller trains (Operation Princess, four coach 158s replaced by three coach 170/185s on FST/TPE services etc).

Whilst there's a (marginal) benefit for passengers, that means a lot fewer paths for freight. Maybe we should introduce a (minimum) limit on train length on some lines to free up freight paths - like five coach 180s on the ECML south of Doncaster being forced to double up?

I have long thought that GC and HT should be forced to split and join.

Castleford - York would make more sense as an extension of the current slow service from Sheffield to Castleford (via Barnsley) or an extension of the current Huddersfield - Wakefield service (extended to Castleford in place of the current slow service from Barnsley previously mentioned), as there may be more "longer distance" passengers attracted to that (i.e. nobody from Leeds is going to sit on a DMU to York that takes an hour to go via Castleford when there's a regular fast service via Garforth). I would have this as well as what i suggested.
 

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Reinstating the Coventry - Nottingham service would be good. Extending it to Leamington would be even better both for direct journeys and connections. Would probably take some of the overcrowding off of Voyagers in the Birmingham areas too. The infrastructure bill to get things in place would be prohibitive though.
 

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When did you do Longsight Station? The station closed on 15 September 1958.


Lol !! I assume the depot as opposed to the station !!
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Not yet, though have been on Guide Bridge a couple of times.


I tend to use Guide Bridge more coz of the frequency , though is just a tad further from my house than Fairfield is.
 

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Oxford -Bristol is unlikely to happen even with the advent of IEP. The DfT wanted Didcot Parkway to be an LTV only served station when IEP was first ordered... Went down like a lead balloon.

I would like to see the London -Cheltenham Service to be hourly. This was a long term goal of FGW as they used to have a 'spare' HST at OO which would of been allocated to that service.
With the Kemble redoubling prehaps this way happen, with the DMU serving as a Westbury/Swindon -Cheltenham making a 30min service on the south Cotswolds.
 

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Oxford -Bristol is unlikely to happen even with the advent of IEP. The DfT wanted Didcot Parkway to be an LTV only served station when IEP was first ordered... Went down like a lead balloon.

I would like to see the London -Cheltenham Service to be hourly. This was a long term goal of FGW as they used to have a 'spare' HST at OO which would of been allocated to that service.
With the Kemble redoubling prehaps this way happen, with the DMU serving as a Westbury/Swindon -Cheltenham making a 30min service on the south Cotswolds.
You don't need half-hourly service on there a 158 every hour is plenty enough capacity during the day!
 

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Skipton is not sizeable, it's a small market town. In fact Carlisle is barely sizeable. There is no major population centre between Leeds and Glasgow going that way. You'd serve far more people by going via the ECML, but then of course you're making the journey even longer.

The reason the SC is slow is because there's quite a bit of slow freight on the line and few or no overtaking opportunities.
How much longer would it take via ECML?

Could Carlisle-Leeds be linked with Leeds-Carlisle?
 
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