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Nym

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Actually it is. If you say out you are by definition not expecting anything else so that ends and overrides the over part. You've just confirmed what I said.

Oh, so you're a trained radio operator now?

It actually doesn't...
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Much like people saying Roger or Roger that. I usually quip if I'm feeling that way a remark about not being rogered by anyone I see at work!

It is mildly entertaining at best, but I suppose when you work around shafts and cocks on a daily basis, you tend not to giggle at things too much.

Although the worst sin that does make my blood boil is when people use the word "Repeat" on a radio, yes, it is a keyword, but it doesn't indicate you want the previous transmission you received to be re-sent.
 
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Sorry but you are completely wrong. 3 days after the rules changes a young lad was killed at Oakengates tunnel, if the driver had sounded his horn on this occasion the youth may still be alive now. On passing Craven arms at 90mph I sounded the horn as a train was in the platform as I sounded it someone stuck their head out from behind the train if I hadn't sounded the horn he would now be dead so safer certainly not - people friendly for noise pollution certainly yes.

What a strange example. If you had to cater for trespassers on the line you would be sounding the horn continuously, not just in tunnels. Your poor youth shouldn't have been in there and might well have been killed even if the horn was sounded incorrectly on approach.

I must admit I do occasionally sound the horn when I pass another train in a station if I'm bowling along (sometimes a station seems a very crowded place when you get pushing 90 on a double track formation). I have on occasion seen people run across from the opposite platform to catch a standing train which makes me a tad uncomfortable. The same goes for a shunt on an adjacent running line. Not so much passenger train but you do see the guy with the radio on those strange freight trains (joke before I get shot down).

However, the rule book is a living document. It is constantly being reviewed and updated in response to various new issues and the removal of others. It will also be updated when certain issues no longer present a risk. When a new rule is added you are expected to adhere to it but you are not expected to perpetuate those that are removed - otherwise it would be an enormous unworkable thing full of old tosh from steam days.

The use of the horn seems an emotive subject to drivers. To many it's their favourite toy and they have their own slant on it. If you think about the whistle board, the very name and the fact it says W and not H says that it is a relic from steam days when some poor sod had to look down the side of a 30 foot boiler with smoke and steam in his eyes. He simply couldn't see most of the crossing but now you sit behind a windscreen with a wiper (except maybe 142s ;)) and the crossing user sees a thing that is yellow, as big as a gable end and has a light on it (except maybe 142s).

Your personal attempt to make the railway safer is perhaps understandable but statistically it has been made safer by other means as discussed above and better crossing management by NWR. They are always strimming on the approaches and fussing round them. The use of the horn has been removed in some cases for a reason and strictly speaking you should stop doing it where you are not required to. Now, common sense applies and if you suspect trespass around a tunnel then you would be acting professionally by using the "any other time deemed necessary" rule. Otherwise, any benefit is just to satisfy your obsession with your favourite toy........

.....I'm tormenting you but with a serious undertone,
 
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You dont lay dets in tunnels except for assistance protection, you then carry on through to the end of the tunnel and await the arrival of the rescue train.

In practice, if you are walking through a tunnel to lay emergency protection most people would lay at least one det before getting to a position of safety and covering your ears, they wont write that in the rule book because of the H&S implications of being near a det when it goes off in a tunnel, that is going to be seriously loud and could possible damage your hearing.

You lay assistance protection dets in a tunnel, and also if walking through a tunnel carrying out emergency protection and a train approaches. The rule book does not state you don't put dets down in a tunnel if a train approaches, it only states you "must take care for your own safety" or some such.
 

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You lay assistance protection dets in a tunnel, and also if walking through a tunnel carrying out emergency protection and a train approaches. The rule book does not state you don't put dets down in a tunnel if a train approaches, it only states you "must take care for your own safety" or some such.

Thats almost exactly what I said!
 

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Oh, so you're a trained radio operator now?

It actually doesn't...
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It is mildly entertaining at best, but I suppose when you work around shafts and cocks on a daily basis, you tend not to giggle at things too much.

Although the worst sin that does make my blood boil is when people use the word "Repeat" on a radio, yes, it is a keyword, but it doesn't indicate you want the previous transmission you received to be re-sent.

No not a trained radio officer but aware of the rule that says the term "over and out" should not be used. My attempt at an amusing analogy has obviously got stuck in your highly qualified craw. I apologise for that.

Ancs.
 
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No not a trained radio officer but aware of the rule that says the term "over and out" should not be used. My attempt at an amusing analogy has obviously got stuck in your highly qualified craw. I apologise for that.

Ancs.

MIMI MIRTE LAE Level 5 HNC. Grade 1 CSE in Geography but pretty crap at maths.

As a Radio Instructor;
"OVER" means I've finished my bit and am now waiting for your reply.
"OUT" means I've finished and do not expect a reply, so farewell.
We don't teach "ROGER" but "AFFIRMATIVE" if in agreement.

And I've still been marked down under NR's system!!
 

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Over and Out is contradictory, Over mean i have finished speaking and i am expecting you to reply. Out means i have finished speaking and the conversation is ended
 

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Thanks Llanigraham and Elecman; nice to know I'm not losing it in my old age.

As a bit of a PS, I didn't say Radio Officer, I said Radio Operator. I never have, and am not likely to ever be a "Radio Officer" in any respect, I merely operated (and continue to operate in a different capacity) them.

I shall not be reduced to designatory letter bashing...
 
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Thanks Llanigraham and Elecman; nice to know I'm not loosing it in my old age.

As a bit of a PS, I didn't say Radio Officer, I said Radio Operator. I never have, and am not likely to ever be a "Radio Officer" in any respect, I merely operated (and continue to operate in a different capacity) them.

I shall not be reduced to designatory letter bashing...
No, but you could be losing it!

Talking of "worst sins!"

Ye be right though!

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Anchorman_02

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Thanks Llanigraham and Elecman; nice to know I'm not losing it in my old age.

As a bit of a PS, I didn't say Radio Officer, I said Radio Operator. I never have, and am not likely to ever be a "Radio Officer" in any respect, I merely operated (and continue to operate in a different capacity) them.

I shall not be reduced to designatory letter bashing...

My mistake and sincerely sorry for the daft comment.
 

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Its a really good case of the Rule Book keeping up with the times. Guards are now concentrating on retail duties and the signallers are miles away - no need to give a long blast of the horn for passing a signal. Agree it must be for trackworkers, the best possible use of the train's horn!
 
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