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Hi there
Anyone know when the Brighton Belle will be restored to working service?
I was reading a lot about it a couple of years ago and I'm sure I read it would be reinstated in summer 2015 but this hasn't happened anyone know when it will be?
 
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Well you could just type Brighton Belle into Google (other Search Engines are available), to find the groups website and then look for info on there or is that too difficult?

According to their Website they are talking about Mainline testing in April /May 2016
 
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Well you could just type Brighton Belle into Google (other Search Engines are available), to find the groups website and then look for info on there or is that too difficult?

According to their Website they are talking about Mainline testing in April /May 2016
I'm sorry it's just the sources have all gone very tight lipped about it.
 

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This would be a good start:
http://www.brightonbelle.com/news

I note the project is hopeful that thanks to relaxation of yellow-warning panel requirements (provided sufficiently powerful headlights), they will be able to do without the yellow panel and instead have the Pullman crest.

A restoration project like this takes a long time, so it's not surprising to have periods of radio silence whilst people get on with actually doing the restoration work!
 

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Well you could just type Brighton Belle into Google (other Search Engines are available), to find the groups website and then look for info on there or is that too difficult?

According to their Website they are talking about Mainline testing in April /May 2016

Another new-ish (or, at least, one with few posts so far) member welcomed in a friendly way! I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to seek information from a forum such as this where it may be expected that there is lot of knowledge which may not necessarily be found elsewhere.
 
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Another new-ish (or, at least, one with few posts so far) member welcomed in a friendly way! I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to seek information from a forum such as this where it may be expected that there is lot of knowledge which may not necessarily be found elsewhere.

I agree - it might also serve as an interesting conversation starter. This is after all a forum system for discussion and although anyone can go and look at a website, I for one would be interested in knowing what people think or any background info they can provide.

I saw archive film on a recent TV programme about the train and I think is could be very popular when it is restored to use, Does anyone have memories of riding on it, especially regularly?
 
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I agree - it might also serve as an interesting conversation starter. This is after all a forum system for discussion and although anyone can go and look at a website, I for one would be interested in knowing what people think or any background info they can provide.

I saw archive film on a recent TV programme about the train and I think is could be very popular when it is restored to use, Does anyone have memories of riding on it, especially regularly?

My father took me on the 'Belle' on its penultimate day of operation when I was nine, and too young to appreciate it really. I honestly don't remember much about the experience - I wish I did!
 

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I remember seeing it in it's latter days blue & white livery at London Victoria.

Looking forward to seeing back on the main line.
 

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This would be a good start:
http://www.brightonbelle.com/news

I note the project is hopeful that thanks to relaxation of yellow-warning panel requirements (provided sufficiently powerful headlights), they will be able to do without the yellow panel and instead have the Pullman crest.

A restoration project like this takes a long time, so it's not surprising to have periods of radio silence whilst people get on with actually doing the restoration work!

When the new-design headlights were revealed on the Belle there were a lot of pretty angry comments about how they ruined the whole thing, that it wasn't worth putting it back on the main line if the front end had to be butchered so. Bet those commentators are singing a different tune now those self-same mods are allowing the yellow panels to be dispensed with..
 

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angry comments about how they ruined the whole thing, that it wasn't worth putting it back on the main line if the front end had to be butchered so.
It won't be the Belle anyhow, I believe it's a bodge up of BEL bodies stuck on CIG underframes with CIG bogies, motors and control gear. It won't look right and it won't sound right either (at least to me).
 

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It won't be the Belle anyhow, I believe it's a bodge up of BEL bodies stuck on CIG underframes with CIG bogies, motors and control gear. It won't look right and it won't sound right either (at least to me).

You're right, it'll sound nothing like the original. Lying in bed at night when I was a nipper, the difference between pre- and post-1963 stock (leaf spring or B4/B5 bogies) was blatantly obvious. But how many of the punters who will be buying tickets to go on this thing will know that?
 

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The traction motors in the 455s are pre-war vintage aren't they? Would those have been more appropriate for an authentic sound? :lol:
 

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It won't be the Belle anyhow, I believe it's a bodge up of BEL bodies stuck on CIG underframes with CIG bogies, motors and control gear. It won't look right and it won't sound right either (at least to me).
Just the motors (EE507 same as used on the 4SUB) and control gear (Design which dates from the 1930's) were used. You be hard pushed to find a set of eight EE153 motors in working order. But the extra 25hp per motor will be useful on today's railway.
 
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I have been told it is expected Summer this year, for the Brighton Main Line 175th Anniversary. Whether it does or not I have no idea. i have contacted the website numerous times with no reply...
 

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It won't be the Belle anyhow, I believe it's a bodge up of BEL bodies stuck on CIG underframes with CIG bogies, motors and control gear. It won't look right and it won't sound right either (at least to me).

Well that means it'll be a lot smoother riding than the original shake rattle and roll 5-BELs.
 

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It won't be the Belle anyhow, I believe it's a bodge up of BEL bodies stuck on CIG underframes with CIG bogies, motors and control gear. It won't look right and it won't sound right either (at least to me).

Certainly better than the alternative, the carriages sitting in sidings rusting away with no hope of anything more than being dragged by a kettle down some branch line miles from home, wouldn't you say? Given that all the control and traction gear was ripped out by BR on withdrawal and would have been scrapped long ago, I think that it'll be the closest approximation possible.

(Yes I know there are a couple of Belle cars still running on the Southern with the VSOE, or whatever its called nowadays, but that's not the point ;))
 

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You're right, it'll sound nothing like the original. Lying in bed at night when I was a nipper, the difference between pre- and post-1963 stock (leaf spring or B4/B5 bogies) was blatantly obvious. But how many of the punters who will be buying tickets to go on this thing will know that?
More importantly, who'll care? I was at the Great Gathering in York a while back, and someone was complaining at how the last time they saw an A4 in steam it wasn't the same, it didn't sound right, and the coaches weren't right...

I think the majority of people - be they normal, enthusiasts, or just people proud of Brighton's heritage - will be happy seeing the once familiar umber and cream creaking into Brighton again.
 

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It won't be the Belle anyhow, I believe it's a bodge up of BEL bodies stuck on CIG underframes with CIG bogies, motors and control gear. It won't look right and it won't sound right either (at least to me).

You are probably right, but, nevertheless, it will be wonderful to see it back on the main line in anything resembling its original form. Modern preservation has to adapt to the requirements imposed upon it with creative solutions, and the sheer effort to get the project to where it is should be praised. One could speculate that, if it had continued in service for several more years, might it have been re-bogied anyway to improve performance and track wear - it's possible.

Getting dispensation to run such stock on the main line will always need compromises but I think this project is going to provide a fascinating experience for travellers and is another 'stake in the ground' for the recognition of our railway's heritage and an interest from the general public which probably won't be far short of that in steam. Just getting rid of the yellow warning panel alone is a significant step (especially as it could legitimately have carried one).

As an aside, I wonder if the SEG's 4-COR (3142) could receive similar dispensation during its restoration - they would make a splendid pair for tours.
 
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This isn't a restoration though is it, its a commercial conversion of some old coaches to appeal to the posh meal brigade.
 

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This isn't a restoration though is it, its a commercial conversion of some old coaches to appeal to the posh meal brigade.

Would it be fair to say, then, that you oppose this and any other possible projects which try to bring at least a sense of history back to the railway, because it may differ from the original/in-service specification?
 

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This isn't a restoration though is it, its a commercial conversion of some old coaches to appeal to the posh meal brigade.

It was the posh meal brigade that led to their introduction in the first place.
 

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This isn't a restoration though is it, its a commercial conversion of some old coaches to appeal to the posh meal brigade.

It is being restored in the only way that might make it's operation sustainable by a charitable trust.
 

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As an aside, I wonder if the SEG's 4-COR (3142) could receive similar dispensation during its restoration - they would make a splendid pair for tours.

Unless 3142 undergoes similar control/motor equipment replacement the two units would be totally incompatible, unfortunately. Also, the chance of 4-COR stock receiving main line dispensation would seem to be very unlikely, given that they are wooden-bodied, as opposed to the steel-bodied Belle stock. Still, always the possibility of it getting limited dispensation from Ardingly into Haywards Heath if the Bluebell drop in a juice rail when they eventually extend west..
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Best chance for something to run with the Belle on the main line would probably be the Bluebell's 4-VEP, unless the NSERS ever get their CIG back on the main line.
 

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I posted some time ago that it would be nice to see 4 VEP Gordon and Belle out on a date to Bournemouth
Gordons friends replied that she was too posh for a date with a VEP, They would make a great couple
 

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I imagine in the near future when the 5-Wes/442 stock starts to succumb to the gas axe there should be plentiful spare traction equipment and control gear for the likes of the Belle, Gordon the VEP, etc. Every cloud and all that.
 

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If they managed to preserve a 442 they could all have dates with each other
Is the 442 compatible with the works fitted to Gordon and Belle ?
 

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Brighton belle trust say they plan to begin testing April may with excursions running later this year operates by UK railtours
 
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