Flying Scotsman @ KGX?

[BRblue]

Not when I have used it - I just hope its nothing serious
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Just seen Sky News - the 20 minutes lateness is due to some bloody idiots standing on the ECML... Making all trains stand still

I wonder who will be picking up the bill for all the delay minutes closing the ecml will incur? No doubt Network rail again... and people wonder why we moan about steam on the mainline.:roll:

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

According to one person on the train, they were not just standing to one side of the track, but several people standing directly on the running lines themselves!

Credit to the Scotsman's crew for getting the brakes on double quick

 

[66Yorks]

Well done to all the idots tresspassing on Network Rail land to take a photo of the Flying Scotsman. All trains had to be stopped on the ECML...

 

[Steveman]

I wonder who will be picking up the bill for all the delay minutes closing the ecml will incur? No doubt Network rail again... and people wonder why we moan about steam on the mainline.:roll:

I don't moan about steam on any line.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Just seen some people stood on platforms waving their arms as if indicating danger ahead - on the plus side, looks like I have the Railway General Knowledge Quiz in the bag!

 

[SPADTrap]

According to one person on the train, they were not just standing to one side of the track, but several people standing directly on the running lines themselves!

Credit to the Scotsman's crew for getting the brakes on double quick

In one video it shows a group crossing all running lines to selfie with the loco as it stood...

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

In one video it shows a group crossing all running lines to selfie with the loco as it stood...

Yes, I saw that... There would have been hell on if it had attempted a non stop journey.

She seems to be 21 down now - although RTT has stopped reporting her again

 

[mac]

That should put a good case for banning steam

 

[BRblue]

I don't moan about steam on any line.

Well when it affects the safety of the line as in this case, you should!

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Well when it affects the safety of the line as in this case, you should!

I think I know what he means

 

[Steveman]

Well when it affects the safety of the line as in this case, you should!

So you're saying because a lot of numpty enthusiasts cause disruption all steam should be banned, that's rather an over reaction to say the least.
It's not steam that's the problem it's simply idiots, they should be dealt with very firmly rather than depriving loads of people with the pleasure of seeing a "real" engine rather than the bland traction which is the modern scene.

 

[Red Dragon]

Just off to Donny to see the Fling Scotsman steaming down to York.
Should be a wonderful sight if these idiots keep off the line and it runs through.
Don't know what the water reserves will now be like after the climb to Stoke Jct.
They are just going through PBO.

 

[philjo]

BBC have a live reporting page:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-35649676


I watched the train go through Potters Bar - the car park was packed.

 

[Greenback]

So you're saying because a lot of numpty enthusiasts cause disruption all steam should be banned, that's rather an over reaction to say the least.
It's not steam that's the problem it's simply idiots, they should be dealt with very firmly rather than depriving loads of people with the pleasure of seeing a "real" engine rather than the bland traction which is the modern scene.

I agree that the trespassers are idiots and that they should be dealt with firmly, but I think the point being made by BRBlue is that there are people who will use these sort of incidents as a way to get steam banned.

Unfortunately, it's often the case the the stupidity of a minority has negative results for the sensible majority.

 

[the-gog]

The awful Matthew Wright has just said the train has been stopped because of trespassers.
"I don't know where ?
I think the ECML station ? so where would that have started from ? Euston ? Liverpool Street ?" somebody in the audience shouted KX.

Between St Neots and Huntingdon

 

[Red Dragon]

I think I know what he means

Well when it affects the safety of the line as in this case, you should!

It's not the steam engine which affects the safety of the line it's the idiots who trespass and endanger not only themselves, but more importantly others!

 

[theblackwatch]

Whatever happened to the good old 'Q Trains' which used to run to catch trespassers and vandals? Presumably one was deemed unnecessary by NR/BTP?

 

[BRblue]

I agree that the trespassers are idiots and that they should be dealt with firmly, but I think the point being made by BRBlue is that there are people who will use these sort of incidents as a way to get steam banned.

Unfortunately, it's often the case the the stupidity of a minority has negative results for the sensible majority.

I am stuck in the middle so to speak... as I am a fan of one and work for the other. The point I had made earlier was that these incidents cost a lot of money... beardy will be sitting there rubbing his hands together at the thought of fining NWR for a lot of delay minutes, which have been accrued by NWR because of something which was beyond their control today but which they have the ability to control in the future. It may only seem a short delay but the impacts will last a lot longer during the day and it's normally NWR staff that end up sorting it out.

 

[CosherB]

VTEC is milking the day for all it's worth on their Twitter feed!

 

[Greenback]

I see your point, BRBlue. It's a bit of a nightmare situation because people do like steam trains and they want to see them in action on main lines, but there is also a minority of idiots who seem to lack any common sense at all, and who will end up spoiling it for others.

If it isn't the money it costs it will be when a serious incident occurs resulting in an injury or worse to one of the trespassers, then it will be an ideal excuse for those against having steam on NR to swing the axe.

I do think that the media could do more. They need to point out the dangers and the consequences of going beyond the fences when they cover any story connected with steam engines.

 

[Red Dragon]

I do think that the media could do more. They need to point out the dangers and the consequences of going beyond the fences when they cover any story connected with steam engines.

Good point Greenback, I agree the media needs to be used more by NR at times like this.

 

[Greenback]

I think that they have a responsibility to everyone to highlight this issue within their various reports, and not just after an incident of trespass. I've seen a lot of coverage on TV and in print about the restoration of Flying Scotsman and her return to use. I've seen very little coverage anywhere that mentions not attempting to get anywhere near the running lines.

 

[BRblue]

I see your point, BRBlue. It's a bit of a nightmare situation because people do like steam trains and they want to see them in action on main lines, but there is also a minority of idiots who seem to lack any common sense at all, and who will end up spoiling it for others.

If it isn't the money it costs it will be when a serious incident occurs resulting in an injury or worse to one of the trespassers, then it will be an ideal excuse for those against having steam on NR to swing the axe.

I do think that the media could do more. They need to point out the dangers and the consequences of going beyond the fences when they cover any story connected with steam engines.

Yes agreed Greenback, the media could and should of done a lot more... but to be honest a lot of these idiots would of done the same thing anyway, they just don't think of the consequences of their actions.

 

[Deepgreen]

I strongly suspect that the vast majority of the trespassers will not have been true enthusiasts but general members of the public who have seen the media reports of the run, including in their local papers, and who then wander down to their nearest bit of line and do what they want to get a good view. They probably otherwise never go near a railway let alone travel by train.

I hope and believe that true steam enthusiasts would never venture onto the line in the way that apparently has been happening, as the 'fraternity' is very strict with its policy on the issue.

It is a facet of any heavily-publicised event that there will be those who try to get a view by any means possible; it just so happens that the railway is an estate whose boundaries are more comprehensively protected (and with more direct and immediate consequences for breaching) than, say, roads, farmers' fields, etc.

I sincerely hope main line steam does not suffer too much as a consequence (the WCRC debacle is already doing its best there!), and that future publicity around any special trains such as today's includes clear warnings about trespass.

 

[Red Dragon]

I think that they have a responsibility to everyone to highlight this issue within their various reports, and not just after an incident of trespass. I've seen a lot of coverage on TV and in print about the restoration of Flying Scotsman and her return to use. I've seen very little coverage anywhere that mentions not attempting to get anywhere near the running lines.

NR do need to be proactive about safety, and this was an ideal opportunity to latch on the track safety issues to the huge publicity this run has received.

 

[crispy1978]

It's amazing what people will do to get their 'perfect photo'; absolute idiots putting theirs and potentially others lives at risk, let alone what the driver will be going through if he hits one of the trespassers.

 

[38Cto15E]

Michael Portillo is on board with a nice green (apple?) blazer.

 

[rdeez]

Just seen a video of the trespassers.

I really can't get my head around how some people, despite all the information and campaigns out there, just don't make the connection between 'trespassing on the railway' and 'potentially mortal danger'?! Nobody would dream of just casually sauntering onto a motorway which while dangerous lacks some of the hazards of the railway! And of course presumably it will be already cash-strapped Network Rail who now pick up the bill for the delays incurred...what a bunch of absolute idiots these people are.

 

[w0033944]

If these idiots precipitate the end of main line steam...:mad:

 

[Silver Cobra]

The awful Matthew Wright has just said the train has been stopped because of trespassers.
"I don't know where ?
I think the ECML station ? so where would that have started from ? Euston ? Liverpool Street ?" somebody in the audience shouted KX.

Between St Neots and Huntingdon

BBC Three Counties Radio reported that the incident took place just south of St Neots.

It's ridiculous what people are prepared to do just to get their 'perfect shot', especially as it's not just their own lives they are risking.As it sounds like pictures and videos of these idiots exist, hopefully Network Rail and/or the BTP can use these to identify and prosecute them.