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Hopefully the night services will pick up as people realise its a useful way to get to/from Bristol Airport.
Yesterday I caught 0625 from Taunton to Plymouth(0500 Bristol). I was the only passenger. Driver said he had none on his outward trip(0130 Plymouth).
Came back on 1830 from Plymouth (30 late start) and again I was the only passenger.
 
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Disruption to Falcon tonight due to road closures around central Bristol following what is merely being described as a "police incident". Roads closed include The Haymarket and Bridewell Street which the Falcon would use on its journey toward the City Centre and Anchor Road.

Police not saying when the closures may be lifted.

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Disruption to Falcon tonight due to road closures around central Bristol following what is merely being described as a "police incident". Roads closed include The Haymarket and Bridewell Street which the Falcon would use on its journey toward the City Centre and Anchor Road.

Police not saying when the closures may be lifted.

Dave

A suicidal person on a construction site, apparently.

Road closures now lifted.
 

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Aren't Stagecoach going to have a problem trying to run Falcon entirely from the Plymouth end? I realise they have no presence in Bristol (unfortunately) but the Belles service would seem to offer a possible solution if some combination of coaches and drivers were possible. I think the Falcon service could really catch on if it gets good publicity, as FGW and ArriVa CrossCountry show such contempt for this axis with their pricing policies and pathetic timetables. There's always going to be a potentially big traffic problem, though, as there's no part of the route that doesn't get unmanageable after the slightest incident. Even Exeter to Plymouth suffers far more from closures and disruption than the A30 route west from Exeter, although both routes are built to the same standard.
 

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Aren't Stagecoach going to have a problem trying to run Falcon entirely from the Plymouth end? I realise they have no presence in Bristol (unfortunately) but the Belles service would seem to offer a possible solution if some combination of coaches and drivers were possible. I think the Falcon service could really catch on if it gets good publicity, as FGW and ArriVa CrossCountry show such contempt for this axis with their pricing policies and pathetic timetables. There's always going to be a potentially big traffic problem, though, as there's no part of the route that doesn't get unmanageable after the slightest incident. Even Exeter to Plymouth suffers far more from closures and disruption than the A30 route west from Exeter, although both routes are built to the same standard.

The Bristol end is ran from Cwmbran depot, as is Bristol based megabus work
 

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I believe it's mainly Plymouth drivers on Falcon, with some Exeter drivers helping out in the evening and early morning.
 

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I believe it's mainly Plymouth drivers on Falcon, with some Exeter drivers helping out in the evening and early morning.

According to the current edition of Coach and Bus Weekly, which has a 3 or 4 page article on the Falcon, all coaches are provided by Plymouth depot and the majority of the drivers are ex-First, with the addition of a few new recruits: no mention of Exeter crew.
 

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According to the current edition of Coach and Bus Weekly, which has a 3 or 4 page article on the Falcon, all coaches are provided by Plymouth depot and the majority of the drivers are ex-First, with the addition of a few new recruits: no mention of Exeter crew.

I have spoken to two Exeter drivers on it in the past week ;)

The bulk of it is however, Plymouth crewed.
 

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Certainly makes sense being Plymouth crewed. Megabus duties are with Plymouth ex First drivers as well now, manning majority of services south west of Bristol
Stagecoach I understand retained all First drivers but with less routes/services to cover, so in theory would have had an excess number of Plymouth based drivers.

I'm curious as to whether going from urban bus service driving to medium distance Coach driving is a better or worse duty?
 

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I have spoken to two Exeter drivers on it in the past week ;)

The bulk of it is however, Plymouth crewed.

I'm glad it's not set in stone:) This type of operation has to be flexible, or it will not work. Stagecoach are not the type of operator, these days at least, to pack up if things don't go well after the first few weeks, unlike some other operator(s) who announce new services to Bristol Airport from afield with great fanfare, then quickly jack them in within a relatively short space of time.
 

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I'm glad it's not set in stone:) This type of operation has to be flexible, or it will not work. Stagecoach are not the type of operator, these days at least, to pack up if things don't go well after the first few weeks, unlike some other operator(s) who announce new services to Bristol Airport from afield with great fanfare, then quickly jack them in within a relatively short space of time.

The loss of others, is another's gain:those hound coaches were doing rail replacement between Plymouth/Newton Abbot/Exeter. Bit of an upgrade compared to the usual scrapheap rejects;)

Had a few issues with the E400s in the bay recently - they don't seem like starting up in the colder weather we've been having.
 

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I'm glad it's not set in stone:) This type of operation has to be flexible, or it will not work. Stagecoach are not the type of operator, these days at least, to pack up if things don't go well after the first few weeks, unlike some other operator(s) who announce new services to Bristol Airport from afield with great fanfare, then quickly jack them in within a relatively short space of time.

are we talking about First? i do wonder if it was first's choice to give up or maybe the airport offered the service to some one else?
 

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Arrival back at Bretonside was 41 late as the Falcon service now appears to use Exeter Street and The Viaduct in Plymouth rather than going through Bretonside.

I could see potential for problems with the mini-roundabout at the junction of Bretonside and Vauxhall street. Also waiting for the barrier to open to turn right into the sadly now very empty bus station, an impatient driver who decides to pass would be entering a blind bend.
 

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Like a few people on this thread, I've decided to take advantage of the £1 fares on the Falcon and use it to enable a trip on Stagecoach Devon.

Left the house and drove to Churchill for the 0640 trip south. Avoided the First A2 and a minute later, the Falcon appeared. Stuck my hand out in plenty of time but in the murk, the driver didn't see me until the last minute. Thought I was going to miss it but he stopped. Very chatty driver on 54326, had a nice talk and he explained how the service was run, breaks taken, etc. He was complimentary about the Elites; rear steer makes them very easy to drive and they have lane guidance and other safety measures.

In terms of passenger comfort, they were very assured. A little bit of rattling from the wheelchair zone but overall, really good kit. Picked up one passenger at Taunton for Exeter (I was the only one before that), before two joined at Cullompton and one at Exeter for Plymouth. Arriving into Bretonside, I took the opportunity to take some photos to remind me of that hellhole in future years.

A wander across to Royal Parade and stop A11 for the 3 to Dartmouth. Heard it was Tridents so no surprise when Stagecoach 18068 appeared. Got on, bought my Explorer, and headed off. This machine was hard worked on the 12 in Torbay and it did look a little frayed around the edges. Got into Kingsbridge and had a quick run to the shop during the 5 min break and then continued into Dartmouth. Oddly, the stops had Stagecoach timetables in the cases but the flags were still mainly First! Lovely route but lots of stops to negotiate tight spots and allow HGVs through.

A sandwich at Dartmouth and then a £1.50 trip across the Dart to Kingswear. Then I wandered up to the "Banjo" bus stop where Trident 18074 appeared on the 120. The driver then waited around because there's a driver swap with the Brixham to Kingswear bus. I headed to Paignton on the Trident before leaping off there and onto a non-descript e400 15667 on the 22 to Torquay.

A short coffee break there and then onto the Gold X46 at 1445 onto e400 15932. Sadly, the X prefix doesn't mean that it takes advantage of the Kingskerswell bypass as we wandered around. Off to Exeter and after a quick scout around the bus depot before I had a quick scoot to Pinhoe and back on the 1, more e400s (19008 and 19065).

Then a trip out on the Honiton Road P&R Red route with 10453 - that was an e400mmc with high back, soft "leather" seats and, I have to say, it was better than the Gold decker I had on the X46 and also better than the First ones I've experienced in Bristol. Very nice machines. That got me to Honiton Road and then a short wait for my northbound Falcon that, despite the recent concerns, was bang on time (54325) and swept me north.

You've got a few days to experience the £1 Falcon - go and do it while you can!!
 
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Does anyone know how the numbers are doing on the belles express since the reduction to its timetable and extension to bristol city centre this month
 

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Does anyone know how the numbers are doing on the belles express since the reduction to its timetable and extension to bristol city centre this month

Don't know (though we're only a week in) but on a related question, this has now been dropped to a one vehicle working. Given that there were three vehicles liveried up initially, do we know what's happened to them?
 

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Don't know (though we're only a week in) but on a related question, this has now been dropped to a one vehicle working. Given that there were three vehicles liveried up initially, do we know what's happened to them?

Seemed pretty dead last Monday, which was the first day of the service running into the city centre.

Doubt it helps that the press release says the service runs to Bristol bus station, wheras the branding on the coaches - and real life observation - suggests it uses Cabot Circus.
 

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Seemed pretty dead last Monday, which was the first day of the service running into the city centre.

Doubt it helps that the press release says the service runs to Bristol bus station, wheras the branding on the coaches - and real life observation - suggests it uses Cabot Circus.

Yet there's a poster and timetable stuck to the door of bay 19 in Bristol bus station.
 

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These items appeared in the VOSA Bus Service registrations for Monday 22-Feb-2016. It looks like Stagecoach Devon may be trying to fill the gaps left by the reduced X53 timetable - and using service numbers from the 1970s while they are about it.

PH1020951/70 - STAGECOACH DEVON LTD T/A STAGECOACH SOUTH WEST, BELGRAVE ROAD, EXETER, EX1 2LB
Variation Accepted: Operating between Exeter and Seaton or Honiton given service number 9A/9/X9 effective from 02-May-2016. To amend Timetable.

PH1020951/256 - STAGECOACH DEVON LTD T/A STAGECOACH SOUTH WEST, BELGRAVE ROAD, EXETER, EX1 2LB
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Seaton
Finish Point: Lyme Regis
Via:
Service Number: 9A
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 02-MAY-2016
Other Details: Daily service, Hourly Mon-Sat, 2 hourly Sunday

Regards to the above:

1. I don't know for sure but would I be right to assume that the 9/9A/X9 referred to above are currently known as Services 52A/52B/52C?

2. I wonder also what vehicles will be used.

I guess that, if the above items are revisions and, by the looks of it, improvements to the 52A - 52C then Honiton and / or Sidmouth would operate the routes jointly but who knows?

Interesting though.

HTIOI,
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Like a few people on this thread, I've decided to take advantage of the £1 fares on the Falcon and use it to enable a trip on Stagecoach Devon.

Left the house and drove to Churchill for the 0640 trip south. Avoided the First A2 and a minute later, the Falcon appeared. Stuck my hand out in plenty of time but in the murk, the driver didn't see me until the last minute. Thought I was going to miss it but he stopped. Very chatty driver on 54326, had a nice talk and he explained how the service was run, breaks taken, etc. He was complimentary about the Elites; rear steer makes them very easy to drive and they have lane guidance and other safety measures.

In terms of passenger comfort, they were very assured. A little bit of rattling from the wheelchair zone but overall, really good kit. Picked up one passenger at Taunton for Exeter (I was the only one before that), before two joined at Cullompton and one at Exeter for Plymouth. Arriving into Bretonside, I took the opportunity to take some photos to remind me of that hellhole in future years.

A wander across to Royal Parade and stop A11 for the 3 to Dartmouth. Heard it was Tridents so no surprise when Stagecoach 18068 appeared. Got on, bought my Explorer, and headed off. This machine was hard worked on the 12 in Torbay and it did look a little frayed around the edges. Got into Kingsbridge and had a quick run to the shop during the 5 min break and then continued into Dartmouth. Oddly, the stops had Stagecoach timetables in the cases but the flags were still mainly First! Lovely route but lots of stops to negotiate tight spots and allow HGVs through.

A sandwich at Dartmouth and then a £1.50 trip across the Dart to Kingswear. Then I wandered up to the "Banjo" bus stop where Trident 18074 appeared on the 120. The driver then waited around because there's a driver swap with the Brixham to Kingswear bus. I headed to Paignton on the Trident before leaping off there and onto a non-descript e400 15667 on the 22 to Torquay.

A short coffee break there and then onto the Gold X46 at 1445 onto e400 15932. Sadly, the X prefix doesn't mean that it takes advantage of the Kingskerswell bypass as we wandered around. Off to Exeter and after a quick scout around the bus depot before I had a quick scoot to Pinhoe and back on the 1, more e400s (19008 and 19065).

Then a trip out on the Honiton Road P&R Red route with 10453 - that was an e400mmc with high back, soft "leather" seats and, I have to say, it was better than the Gold decker I had on the X46 and also better than the First ones I've experienced in Bristol. Very nice machines. That got me to Honiton Road and then a short wait for my northbound Falcon that, despite the recent concerns, was bang on time (54325) and swept me north.

You've got a few days to experience the £1 Falcon - go and do it while you can!!

I made my trip yesterday - Bristol to Plymouth day return. Both services departed and arrived on time and the return - which is timetabled an extra 15 minutes - waited a few minutes at two stops.

There were never more than 15 people on either coach. Seven of us travelled Bristol to Plymouth, five all the way back. The driver of the morning coach only sold single tickets for £1 and refused to issue returns - one person said he had paid £1 return last week. The afternoon driver said that the return fare was also £1 but I have decided not to complain or seek a refund ;)

The driver to Plymouth announced at each stop for seatbelts to be used and mentioned the WC. The return driver never spoke. There was no sharp braking and I would say both were excellent drivers, as was a third who took over from Bristol Airport to the city centre. I had the same seat both ways - behind the wheelchair space with extra legroom and was very comfortable.

There is a special £5 (28 day) return fare between any two points for all under 25s and over 60s which I think is a big selling point. Once this gets known there should be more passengers to and from the airport plus daytrippers. Also a group of up to 5 people can travel for the price of 2 standard adult returns.

All the stops are just off the main roads so the coaches do not go to town/city centres. I can see the thinking behind this but it may limit the market to/from Bridgewater, Taunton and possibly Exeter

I'll definitely be using Falcon again.
 
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These items appeared in the VOSA Bus Service registrations for Monday 22-Feb-2016. It looks like Stagecoach Devon may be trying to fill the gaps left by the reduced X53 timetable - and using service numbers from the 1970s while they are about it.

PH1020951/70 - STAGECOACH DEVON LTD T/A STAGECOACH SOUTH WEST, BELGRAVE ROAD, EXETER, EX1 2LB
Variation Accepted: Operating between Exeter and Seaton or Honiton given service number 9A/9/X9 effective from 02-May-2016. To amend Timetable.

PH1020951/256 - STAGECOACH DEVON LTD T/A STAGECOACH SOUTH WEST, BELGRAVE ROAD, EXETER, EX1 2LB
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Seaton
Finish Point: Lyme Regis
Via:
Service Number: 9A
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 02-MAY-2016
Other Details: Daily service, Hourly Mon-Sat, 2 hourly Sunday

Regards to the above:

1. I don't know for sure but would I be right to assume that the 9/9A/X9 referred to above are currently known as Services 52A/52B/52C?

2. I wonder also what vehicles will be used.

I guess that, if the above items are revisions and, by the looks of it, improvements to the 52A - 52C then Honiton and / or Sidmouth would operate the routes jointly but who knows?

Interesting though.

HTIOI,
Dave

Yes, PH1020951/70 is the current 52A/52B/52C registration.
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There is a £5 (28 day) return fare between any two points for all under 25s and over 60s which I think is a big selling point. Once this gets known there should be more passengers to and from the airport plus daytrippers.

It's nice that people aged 26-59 get a special set of fares to subsidise everybody else who pays a fiver. (Guess which age group I'm in!).
 

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I reckon the entire bus industry should give you free travel for life for your Travel Search List Bus Services website, Carl.

It must generate extra bus journeys and revenue - I've been using it for years.
 

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The Falcon appears busy today
Interesting. A look on GWR's website says that there are engineering works between Exeter and Plymouth all day today and Sunday so looks like people are giving the Falcon a go. Hope they find it worthwhile and will use it in the future.

Dave
 

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You would think someone would have a spare bus somewhere just incase especial with the engineering works.
 

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The problem is two Falcons are already out of action! ;)

Will put an E400 out on service, this is the biggest problem stagecoach has. Ohh we need to use the fancy coaches to keep up our appearances. Nuts to that get the fleet out and get bums on seats. I bet the passengers would be happier there plenty of seats instead of being left behide. <(

Before people start saying ohh there don't have driver or buses etc, there know it was going to be busy and someone must have know about the train works, but sometimes having to much pride is the problem.
 

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Will put an E400 out on service, this is the biggest problem stagecoach has. Ohh we need to use the fancy coaches to keep up our appearances. Nuts to that get the fleet out and get bums on seats. I bet the passengers would be happier there plenty of seats instead of being left behide. <(

Before people start saying ohh there don't have driver or buses etc, there know it was going to be busy and someone must have know about the train works, but sometimes having to much pride is the problem.

Might be an issue finding an E400 with a Tacho...
 
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