GWR Class 800

[Kentish Paul]

Saw a unit on a trailer on the m20 towards ashford any ideas on why it would go the ashford depot

Maybe as they are kissing cousins with a 395 it was going to have a bit of work at a Hitachi depot.

 

[Steve14]

The 800 stabled at the North Pole depot was parked outside today bang opposite the HEx shed across the lines

 

[Chris125]

800001 has moved down to North Pole under her own steam, just found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hr9_yEdBEY

 

[najaB]

800001 has moved down to North Pole under her own steam...

Steam?!! hock:

Nice video. Seems a lot quieter than a Voyager at comparable speed, though hard to tell from one video I suppose.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

800001 has moved down to North Pole under her own steam, just found this on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hr9_yEdBEY

Do we read anything into the run not being electric?
ie Is it only cleared in diesel mode?

 

[jimm]

Do we read anything into the run not being electric?
ie Is it only cleared in diesel mode?

They probably just didn't want to take any chances with it encountering a bit of overhead that it didn't like south of the section of the ECML used for the testing and pulling down the wires with the usual disastrous consequences for East Coast services.

 

[159220]

800001 has moved down to North Pole under her own steam, just found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hr9_yEdBEY

Great to see progress, but.... That is 800101 not 800001 which is 9 coach rather than 5.

 

[fgwrich]

I'm a little confused, do both IEPs run on 'Conventional' bogies?

I'm asking as i've just come across this picture on Flickr which shows a car from presumably 800101 riding on something similar to the Bombardier BS Series / Siemens Desiro City type bogies with inside bearings. Its it just an accomadation bogie with outside disk brakes or something else? https://www.flickr.com/photos/steam60163/20332717409/in/album-72157651455837011/

Edit. Never mind, I've just noticed a few more pictures on Flickr. Seems the unit have a mix of bogies as seen in this photo (along with an extremely long overhang). https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristol-re/25606923341/in/photolist-F1Nbbi-F1NaZB

 

[jopsuk]

Is it outside bearings for the motor bogies and lightweight inside bogies for non-motored?

Things that look odd- there's no fairing or equipment under the coach between the bogie and coupler (this space is filled in on eg the Mark IV or Pendolino, though to be fair not the Mark III or Class 180)

 

[SPADTrap]

Do we read anything into the run not being electric?
ie Is it only cleared in diesel mode?

It failed part way through and went diesel mode.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

It failed part way through and went diesel mode.

If the electric mode fails does it go into diesel mode automatically or does the driver have to select diesel mode?

 

[Dent]

If the electric mode fails does it go into diesel mode automatically or does the driver have to select diesel mode?

Given that the same motors are used whether in diesel or electric mode, most failure modes wouldn't be solved by changing to diesel.

 

[Philip Phlopp]

Is it outside bearings for the motor bogies and lightweight inside bogies for non-motored?

Things that look odd- there's no fairing or equipment under the coach between the bogie and coupler (this space is filled in on eg the Mark IV or Pendolino, though to be fair not the Mark III or Class 180)

It's inside frame bogies for the unpowered trailers only, outside frame bogies for leading vehicles and motor vehicles, so the inside frame (lightweight) bogies only appear on the 9 car units, every bogie on the 5 car units are outside frame bogies.

 

[jimm]

Is it outside bearings for the motor bogies and lightweight inside bogies for non-motored?

Things that look odd- there's no fairing or equipment under the coach between the bogie and coupler (this space is filled in on eg the Mark IV or Pendolino, though to be fair not the Mark III or Class 180)

There is equipment under some of the the coach ends. See this video of shunting of pre-series trains at Melton Mowbray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4d_qtuRJs

 

[Philip Phlopp]

If the electric mode fails does it go into diesel mode automatically or does the driver have to select diesel mode?

No.

The unit uses the same electric motors whether on diesel or electric power, so any failure which stops operation on electric power will be OLE, pantograph or transformer related. Transformers rarely give trouble, so the majority of trouble will be, as much as it pains me to say this, between the OLE and pantograph.

The most common problem will be a VCB activation which can occur when you've got contact wire oscillation, most commonly caused by high winds, which result in the pantograph losing contact with the OLE repeatedly.

Damage to the pantograph could then occur if you've got excessive contact wire movement and 'pan bounce'. You'll chip the contact strip (pan carbon) and eventually you'll do damage to the head of the pantograph, this results in the loss of the air supply which keeps the pantograph raised, and drops automatically. The driver gets a warning that this has happened but the train loses power and it's obvious it has happened. ADD = Auto Drop Device.

If the ADD has activated, the driver will need to ensure there's not a mile's worth of catenary wrapped round the side of the train before raising the second pantograph, similarly, he will also need to ensure, as far as is possible, there's no OLE damage either caused by a defective pantograph or which may have damaged the pantograph, such as a dislodged dropper, a damaged cantilever arm/registration arm, failed insulator or some sort of debris.

There's absolutely no way you would want to continue running just by switching to diesel power, you will want to stop and find out what has happened, reporting to signaller or electrical control any OLE damage to get the line blocked to electric (or all) traction if necessary.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

It failed part way through and went diesel mode.

Looks like it had a problem between Huntingdon and Sandy, with 30 minutes delay.
I see it also reversed at Southall and Royal Oak to reach North Pole, a route which has an OHLE gap at Acton Wells.
Is the ex-Eurostar OHLE route to the depot via the West London Line out of use now?
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O77086/2016/03/11/advanced

 

[D1009]

I'd be surprised if they planned to use electric mode, seeing it started from Old Dalby, was not booked to stop at Peterborough, and presumably was a transfer move rather than a test run,

 

[leomartin125]

What are these? Class 800 tests into Paddington?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...16/03/15/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

 

[D1009]

If they were, they wouldn't be class 0 which means light engine.

 

[leomartin125]

If they were, they wouldn't be class 0 which means light engine.

Why would GWR send 57's into North Pole?

 

[Domh245]

Sleepers?

 

[swt_passenger]

Sleepers?

They wouldn't be class 0 though, if they included sleeper stock. More likely to be route learning.

 

[Steve14]

Why would GWR send 57's into North Pole?

I think it's to train the drivers who will be using the 387s on how to enter and exit the approach of the IEP depot. As the current GWR depot at OOC is non electrified, 387s will be stabled and maintained at the IEP depot. Hope that answers your question.

 

[JaJaWa]

Edit. Never mind, I've just noticed a few more pictures on Flickr. Seems the unit have a mix of bogies as seen in this photo (along with an extremely long overhang). https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristol-re/25606923341/in/photolist-F1Nbbi-F1NaZB

Temporary livery very similar to that of the late East Coast!

 

[leomartin125]

Is this another Class 800 delivery to North Pole?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97173/2016/03/15/advanced

If it is, anyone know what one this is?

 

[Steve14]

Is this another Class 800 delivery to North Pole?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97173/2016/03/15/advanced

If it is, anyone know what one this is?

Only units I saw was the 5 car stabled inside, and 800101 parked outside west of the depot, looks wuality, it could do with a wash badly though

 

[Devonman2014]

Is this another Class 800 delivery to North Pole?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97173/2016/03/15/advanced

If it is, anyone know what one this is?

Think the 800 that came south other day went back, maybe returning for mileage accumulation and driver training ?

 

[Nym]

I'm a little confused, do both IEPs run on 'Conventional' bogies?

I'm asking as i've just come across this picture on Flickr which shows a car from presumably 800101 riding on something similar to the Bombardier BS Series / Siemens Desiro City type bogies with inside bearings. Its it just an accomadation bogie with outside disk brakes or something else? https://www.flickr.com/photos/steam60163/20332717409/in/album-72157651455837011/

Edit. Never mind, I've just noticed a few more pictures on Flickr. Seems the unit have a mix of bogies as seen in this photo (along with an extremely long overhang). https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristol-re/25606923341/in/photolist-F1Nbbi-F1NaZB

Am I the only one sitting wondering just how long them high level body end jumpers will last in the more light fingered areas of the country? Since they appear to be double ended Harting Han HPR or Han M series connectors, in either size 24 or 48, appears to be 24. They're really not very hard to remove with some very simple tools...

 

[najaB]

Am I the only one sitting wondering just how long them high level body end jumpers will last in the more light fingered areas of the country?

I'd like to think that the places they will be sitting stationary for any length of time will have semi-decent security measures to keep the ne're-do-wells at bay.

 

[Class377/5]

Been reported elsewhere that 800s aren't permitted to run under AC yet so the move was diesel powered.