Ordsall Chord

[furnessvale]

I would think Salford Central will be a stop for the majority of services, it is getting 2, (or even 3?) additional platforms added / re-instated and is well positioned for the growth office area of Spinningfields and Chapel Street.

Also well positioned for holding trains waiting for a slot towards Deansgate or coming off the chord out of sequence.

 

[notlob.divad]

I would think Salford Central will be a stop for the majority of services, it is getting 2, (or even 3?) additional platforms added / re-instated and is well positioned for the growth office area of Spinningfields and Chapel Street.

I doubt Salford Central would get TPE stops. It doesn't even appear in the requirements table. If it is to get Northern Connect services (I can't remember the requirements) The Bradford - Airport would need to have the 5th platform for services onto the the chord and to Piccadilly. West Yorkshire - Liverpool / Chester could stop at the new platforms. I am not sure what either of these serve, as you could make the same connections at Victoria.

Whilst most of the the work and disruption around the Chord project is happening in Salford, it doesn't seem to gain much from it.

 

[PDG1949]

I would think Salford Central will be a stop for the majority of services, it is getting 2, (or even 3?) additional platforms added / re-instated .

Well I hope they raise the level of the existing platforms as well ! The drop/step-up is horrendous, even though they warn you. How the elderly and wheelchair users cope (even with a ramp) doesn't bear thinking.

 

[NoMorePacers]

With the chord opening and TPE services reversing at Piccadilly to use the chord to get to Victoria I presume Stocks to Stalys will become more frequent

 

[notlob.divad]

With the chord opening and TPE services reversing at Piccadilly to use the chord to get to Victoria I presume Stocks to Stalys will become more frequent

Sorry which TPE needs to reverse at Piccadilly to use the Chord?

 

[edwin_m]

TPE Manchester Airport services approaching from Huddersfield will run from Stalybridge into Victoria, then round the Chord to Oxford Road and Piccadilly through platforms, continuing in the same direction to the Airport. TPE trains from the Liverpool direction will serve Victoria but not Piccadilly.

 

[SodTheDrummer]

Well I hope they raise the level of the existing platforms as well ! The drop/step-up is horrendous, even though they warn you. How the elderly and wheelchair users cope (even with a ramp) doesn't bear thinking.

Ironic that they spent money on installing lifts when the 'goldfish bowl' was installed to make the station accessible...

Also, I'm sure I remember Joseph L esq said some time ago that when the old platforms are reinstated, the goldfish bowl will need to be removed to allow strengthening of the viaduct .. or something like that..

 

[Sox]

TPE Manchester Airport services approaching from Huddersfield will run from Stalybridge into Victoria, then round the Chord to Oxford Road and Piccadilly through platforms, continuing in the same direction to the Airport. TPE trains from the Liverpool direction will serve Victoria but not Piccadilly.

Much of the chord proposal seems to be about creating this elaborate "around the houses" arrangement for dealing with inbound traffic from the east. Effectively shifting the balance of Piccadilly away from a terminal facility towards a through station.

I presume there will be some losers in all this, for example, if you are a passenger from Stalybridge, who really needs to get off at Piccadilly, then you are going to have a longer journey time?

 

[Joseph_Locke]

Much of the chord proposal seems to be about creating this elaborate "around the houses" arrangement for dealing with inbound traffic from the east. Effectively shifting the balance of Piccadilly away from a terminal facility towards a through station.

I presume there will be some losers in all this, for example, if you are a passenger from Stalybridge, who really needs to get off at Piccadilly, then you are going to have a longer journey time?

No, there is still services that terminates at Picc. Picc will always be, on balance a terminus, but what's wrong with through journeys?

Its not about inbound traffic, its about through traffic (to the airport) that has to cross at Piccadilly. The Chord allows this in more cost effective way than a flyover at Ardwick and allows a few other issues to be solved along the way.

 

[edwin_m]

No, there is still services that terminates at Picc. Picc will always be, on balance a terminus, but what's wrong with through journeys?

Its not about inbound traffic, its about through traffic (to the airport) that has to cross at Piccadilly. The Chord allows this in more cost effective way than a flyover at Ardwick and allows a few other issues to be solved along the way.

Two per hour between Piccadilly and Stalybridge I think, unless they've changed it again.

The existing service services between Huddersfield and the Airport need time to reverse at Piccadilly plus some padding to try to make sure it hits the path across the throat. So the time via the Chord may not be much different.

 

[ajdunlop]

Two per hour between Piccadilly and Stalybridge I think, unless they've changed it again.

The existing service services between Huddersfield and the Airport need time to reverse at Piccadilly plus some padding to try to make sure it hits the path across the throat. So the time via the Chord may not be much different.

And this reversal combined with splitting this train so only one part goes to the airport rarely goes well. Usually the inbound train is late and so they try to do the split quickly and passengers don't have enough time to work out what is happening. And after all that it is still late.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Sincerely hope they get rid of that ridiculous 10mph psr at Deal Street...

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Much of the chord proposal seems to be about creating this elaborate "around the houses" arrangement for dealing with inbound traffic from the east. Effectively shifting the balance of Piccadilly away from a terminal facility towards a through station.

I presume there will be some losers in all this, for example, if you are a passenger from Stalybridge, who really needs to get off at Piccadilly, then you are going to have a longer journey time?

Whilst the current Huddersfield to Manchester stopper runs to Victoria and is to be withdrawn, IF a stopper returns once the wires are up it'll almost certainly run to Piccadilly via Guide Bridge and Ashburys (though not stopping between Staly and Picc, I assume).

 

[Joseph_Locke]

Sincerely hope they get rid of that ridiculous 10mph psr at Deal Street...

Why? it's a Pway landmark!

 

[QueensCurve]

Some multi-wheel transporter pr0n for you all:

NR Ordsall Chord video

Can someone fill me in as to why one track was rerouted further away from the main formation?

 

[snowball]

Can someone fill me in as to why one track was rerouted further away from the main formation?

To avoid having to strengthen a bridge it used to pass over, according to a post by Joseph Locke somewhere.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Whilst the current Huddersfield to Manchester stopper runs to Victoria and is to be withdrawn, IF a stopper returns once the wires are up it'll almost certainly run to Piccadilly via Guide Bridge and Ashburys (though not stopping between Staly and Picc, I assume).

What type of services will be serving Ashton-under-Lyne when that situation you state arises, as this is the only intermediate station between Stalybridge and Manchester Victoria?

 

[notlob.divad]

What type of services will be serving Ashton-under-Lyne when that situation you state arises, as this is the only intermediate station between Stalybridge and Manchester Victoria?

Will A-U-L not be served by the Electric trains that no longer terminate in Victoria but carry on to reverse at Stalybridge. - Predominantly the Stopping services from Blackpool.

 

[snowball]

Chord pictures posted by Freel07 on Skyscrapercity:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=131964780&postcount=1570

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Will A-U-L not be served by the Electric trains that no longer terminate in Victoria but carry on to reverse at Stalybridge. - Predominantly the Stopping services from Blackpool.

When is the electrification of the line from Manchester Victoria via Miles Platting Junction through to Stalybridge planned to allow EMU to use this line? Will the level crossing at Clayton Bridge pose any problems during these electrification works?

 

[snowball]

When is the electrification of the line from Manchester Victoria via Miles Platting Junction through to Stalybridge planned to allow EMU to use this line?

According to the January update, December 2017, the same as Manchester to Preston.

Will the level crossing at Clayton Bridge pose any problems during these electrification works?

I don't know. Is there any special reason why it should? Lots of LCs have been electrified elsewhere.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

According to the January update, December 2017, the same as Manchester to Preston.

In that update you refer to, is there any mention made of also electrifying the reasonably short line from the Miles Platting Junction to the rail depot at Newton Heath?

 

[GRALISTAIR]

In that update you refer to, is there any mention made of also electrifying the reasonably short line from the Miles Platting Junction to the rail depot at Newton Heath?

Ahhrrr my favorite pet subject mentioned multiple times and on other threads too. It makes sense IMHO that it is - but we shall see. I don't think it has been confirmed.

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=123211&page=6 see for example post 83-91 for example and I note you have posted in this area too Paul.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

According to the January update, December 2017, the same as Manchester to Preston.

I find that quite hard to believe.
2 years to wire a stretch was the performance on Phase 1/2 (forgetting the recent hiatus on the Preston line).
They also have to get on with Preston-Blackpool in the same timeframe.
The semaphore signalling on the Stalybridge line will also have to go, surely?
Some of the route is quite complex too. There are also "journey time improvements" to be made (ie remodelling/realignment).
Newton Heath won't be wired - there are no plans to base EMUs there.

 

[snowball]

On the other hand it's only 8 miles and probably all the bridge alterations have been done.

They'll be working on Blackpool too but that is not committed to be completed by the same date.

There's also the fact that Manchester-Preston probably needs the juice from Stalybridge to be any use.

 

[LDECRexile]

Chord pictures posted by Freel07 on Skyscrapercity:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=131964780&postcount=1570

I very much appreciate the way you pass material between overlapping sites, thank you.

This particular example is cracking stuff.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I don't know. Is there any special reason why it should? Lots of LCs have been electrified elsewhere.

What is the normal clearance height of OLE for traffic passing underneath. I made mention of the level crossing at Clayton Bridge as some quite high-build European HGV pass across there at present.

 

[Domh245]

For Mk1 and Mk3 systems, 5.6m is the maximum height as used at level crossings.

 

[snowball]

At level crossings the wires rise to a greater height than elsewhere in order to give headroom for road vehicles. This can be a problem if there are bridges over the line nearby as there's a maximum recommended gradient for the wire. But in this case there are no nearby bridges over the line.

Most road vehicles are less than 16'6" tall. Bridges over roads which are this height or higher don't have to be signed. I think the normal height of the contact wire at LCs is 18' or so.

(Edit: time overlap with domh. 5.6m=18'4".)

 

[kevconnor]

The distance to be electrified from Brewery sidings to Thorpe Lane is a mile. There may however be the issue of clearance on Thorpe Lane Overbridge.