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[Butts]

Well done (and you've been looking at a Welsh/English dictionary)!!

Butts Glyndwr has a long association with Cymru......

Turn the clock back to 1997 and Butts was in The Post House Hotel in Abertawe the night Carmarthenshire bailed Plaid Cymru and settled the result of the referendum to set up a Welsh Assembly. It is often forgotten that of a million votes cast the Yes camp won by less than 7000 votes. 50.3% Yes 49.7% no - funny how there was not such a kick up as with the recent EU vote.

As well as Swansea Butts has also worked in Cardiff, Blackwood, Pontypool, Wrexham, Cwmbran and Rhyl.

I am officially an honorary "Ovine Fornicator"

Llafur deserves better than a lizard like Corbyn who makes Neil (I tripped over on the beach) Kinnock look professional. Sheffield Rally notwithstanding. Teresa May won't be quaking in her feline footwear at the prospect of facing "Coco Corbyn"

 

[Dave1987]

Hopefully so.

Well Cameron said that he wanted a 'blue collar Tory party' but in reality it was business as usual. Remains to be seen if May will actually do what she says. The younger generation are more left or centre left. I believe the Tories will slowly demise over the next 10 yrs as the Tory voting elder generation start pushing up daisies. I've certainly totally lost my faith in the Conservative party, going to the LibDems from now on.

 

[Butts]

Well Cameron said that he wanted a 'blue collar Tory party' but in reality it was business as usual. Remains to be seen if May will actually do what she says. The younger generation are more left or centre left. I believe the Tories will slowly demise over the next 10 yrs as the Tory voting elder generation start pushing up daisies. I've certainly totally lost my faith in the Conservative party, going to the LibDems from now on.

Wakey Wakey.........
The LD's have already "demised" and are almost extinct in certain parts of the country and their representative bodies.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Chris Grayling transport secretary.

Not a bad choice at all; he does know a thing or two about railways... he even once had a book published on the subject, although I don't have a copy of it.

 

[radamfi]

It is often forgotten that of a million votes cast the Yes camp won by less than 7000 votes. 50.3% Yes 49.7% no - funny how there was not such a kick up as with the recent EU vote.

Because that vote doesn't affect people's lives to the extent that Brexit could. In the worst case scenario, British citizens will lose their right to study, work or retire in the EU/EEA.

 

[Dave1987]

Wakey Wakey.........
The LD's have already "demised" and are almost extinct in certain parts of the country and their representative bodies.

Ha ha I believe Brexit and the Tories failure of their 'blue collar' approach will mean the Lib Dems will make a comeback.

 

[AlterEgo]

Ha ha I believe Brexit and the Tories failure of their 'blue collar' approach will mean the Lib Dems will make a comeback.

The Lib Dems haven't traditionally courted the "blue collar" vote though, have they?

 

[deltic]

Ha ha I believe Brexit and the Tories failure of their 'blue collar' approach will mean the Lib Dems will make a comeback.

Lib Dems captured 3 council seats last night, membership higher than in Charles Kennedy's days as leader - slowly returning to party of the protest vote.

 

[Butts]

If Teresa May can moderate some of the Tories Policies with regard to Social Justice and their perceived heartlessness she could be in office for some time with Labour's current suicidal behaviour and the LD's irrelevance.

The Conservative and Unionist's are the natural party of Government in the UK.
The Rural areas of Scotland are there for the taking and many in Wales and England as well.
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Lib Dems captured 3 council seats last night, membership higher than in Charles Kennedy's days as leader - slowly returning to party of the protest vote.

Very......

 

[northwichcat]

That is an opinion of one single individual, who has by his very position at the BBC, a stage on which to trumpet his views that is not afforded to the vast numbers of the electorate.

The Times yesterday expressed a similar view so it's not just the view of one BBC reporter that May has adopted policies originally proposed by Miliband.
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Wakey Wakey.........
The LD's have already "demised" and are almost extinct in certain parts of the country and their representative bodies.

Yet until the Scottish Independence referendum the thought of there being as many as 20 SNP MPs in Westminster was unthinkable, never mind over 50! Being the party representing the just under 50% minority in Scotland alone is what made the SNP so popular.

The Lib Dems are so far the only party that have said rejoining the EU at a later date should be a possibility. And why shouldn't it? Scotland are complaining that England & Wales might drag them out of the EU against their wishes, yet in the 1975 referendum Scotland was more anti-Europe than England or Wales.

 

[Rich McLean]

Sadly, Hunt is staying in Health. What a depressing thought. Business as usual in the NHS for England, where there is currently somewhere in the region of no staff morale.

I cannot fathom why anyone would keep that moron in that job. He's completely destroyed relations with the NHS workforce. This was Mrs May's opportunity to repair relations with junior doctors, and by keeping Hunt in place she has made her opinion on the matter pretty clear.

Thank God I turned down a job in England.



Not really sacked, I understand she was offered another post and declined. Whatever that post may be, I'm not sure.

I have a feeling she was offered Health Minister, but declined for obvious reasons, so she put Hunt back in that slot. I imagine he's been told to "Clean up his mess" and will be replaced once it's in a fit state to hand over
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Here's a thought

If both the Libdems and SNP formed a pact and campaigned together (but remain as separate parties), along the lines of Rejoining the EU and promoting "ever closer union" and more "Europe" as a mandate for election, then there is more chance of a comeback for the LibDems, prompting a possibility for a Coalition Government if brexit goes to pot.

If they were to do this, I think they should go all out on Pro EU or else it wont work.

 

[northwichcat]

If both the Libdems and SNP formed a pact and campaigned together (but remain as separate parties), along the lines of Rejoining the EU and promoting "ever closer union" and more "Europe" as a mandate for election, then there is more chance of a comeback for the LibDems, prompting a possibility for a Coalition Government if brexit goes to pot.

How would it work though? The reason Miliband was against forming a pact with the SNP pre-election was because it would potentially lose Labour votes in Scotland. The Lib Dems must be wanting to win back East Dunbartonshire, and Edinburgh West at the next election as they only just lost out to the SNP last time, while they want to retain Orkney and Shetland. Would the SNP be willing to not put candidates forward for those seats like those if the Lib Dems didn't contest the other seats held by the SNP?

 

[Rich McLean]

How would it work though? The reason Miliband was against forming a pact with the SNP pre-election was because it would potentially lose Labour votes in Scotland. The Lib Dems must be wanting to win back East Dunbartonshire, and Edinburgh West at the next election as they only just lost out to the SNP last time, while they want to retain Orkney and Shetland. Would the SNP be willing to not put candidates forward for those seats like those if the Lib Dems didn't contest the other seats held by the SNP?

That would need to be discussed. If its a Lib Dem safe seat (if they even exist anymore) then Lib Dem to field a candidate, anything else in Scotland goes to SNP. All depends who is most likely to get elected out of the SNP or Libdems in those areas.

They could both stand, but would be in danger of splitting the vote.

 

[northwichcat]

That would need to be discussed. If its a Lib Dem safe seat (if they even exist anymore) then Lib Dem to field a candidate, anything else in Scotland goes to SNP.

Surely that would benefit the SNP more than the Lib Dems, considering the SNP are unlikely to do better than they did at the last election, while the Lib Dems are unlikely to do worse? I can't see the Lib Dems agreeing to a pact just because the SNP won't contest their current Scottish seat.

 

[Rich McLean]

Surely that would benefit the SNP more than the Lib Dems, considering the SNP are unlikely to do better than they did at the last election, while the Lib Dems are unlikely to do worse? I can't see the Lib Dems agreeing to a pact just because the SNP won't contest their current Scottish seat.

If that's the case, the Lib Dems will struggle to get enough seats on their own

 

[northwichcat]

If that's the case, the Lib Dems will struggle to get enough seats on their own

The Lib Dems currently have one seat in Scotland. You seem to be suggesting the SNP wouldn't stand against them for that seat, on condition that the Lib Dem's didn't contest 50+ seats in Scotland, even though there's a realistic chance of the Lib Dems winning back a couple of them from the SNP. Why on earth would the Lib Dems even consider that? Working with the SNP could lose them votes in England so they'd need a lot more than just a guarantee the SNP won't contest their existing seat in Scotland.

 

[Dave1987]

Well Prime Minister May has a few years to prove that she means what she says. Although appointing Boris as Foreign secretary was not necessarily the best move. There were reports in the London Evening Standard yesterday that the Brexit secretary doesn't plan on triggering Article 50 until December 2018! Something about wanting all trade deals with other countries to have been negotiated first before hand. Now that is definitely wanting ones cake and eating it, and is likely to annoy the remaining EU leaders even more! I really fear for this country over the next three year I really do.

 

[Howardh]

Will be interesting on the next by-election (the next one after Jo Cox) how well the Libdems did if they went in on a Remain ticket.

Also; technically there's nothing to stop the SNP contesting an out-of-Scotland byelection or even the next general! But they would have to be very choosy over which seats to contest and not split the pro-EU vote!!
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Well Prime Minister May has a few years to prove that she means what she says. Although appointing Boris as Foreign secretary was not necessarily the best move. There were reports in the London Evening Standard yesterday that the Brexit secretary doesn't plan on triggering Article 50 until December 2018! Something about wanting all trade deals with other countries to have been negotiated first before hand. Now that is definitely wanting ones cake and eating it, and is likely to annoy the remaining EU leaders even more! I really fear for this country over the next three year I really do.

Think if we hold on and hold on, eventually could Brexit become so fed up of the lack of progress *thinking aloud* they either decide it's not worth bothering with; or insist on another "get on with it" referendum, or try to force an early-ish general Election?

As you rightly say, negotiations can (should?) only start after the button is pressed. EU probably won't play ball - in public domain anyway - before that, so it's bluff and counter bluff.

 

[ExRes]

Well Prime Minister May has a few years to prove that she means what she says. Although appointing Boris as Foreign secretary was not necessarily the best move. There were reports in the London Evening Standard yesterday that the Brexit secretary doesn't plan on triggering Article 50 until December 2018! Something about wanting all trade deals with other countries to have been negotiated first before hand. Now that is definitely wanting ones cake and eating it, and is likely to annoy the remaining EU leaders even more! I really fear for this country over the next three year I really do.

I fear far more for this country when people start believing stories that appear in two bit 'newspapers' like the Standard

 

[miami]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36802756

The new minister in charge of Brexit says the UK should be able to formally trigger its departure from the EU "before or by the start of next year".
David Davis called for a "brisk but measured" approach, with a likely exit from the EU around December 2018.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Think if we hold on and hold on, eventually could Brexit become so fed up of the lack of progress *thinking aloud* they either decide it's not worth bothering with; or insist on another "get on with it" referendum, or try to force an early-ish general Election?

May I inquire as to the people who would be the prime movers and the methods that would be used now that the Conservative Party have acted far quicker than most expected to appoint a new Prime Minister and leader with a new Cabinet team to force "an early-ish General Election".

I see no reason whatsoever why, after making major changes at the top echelon, why the Conservatives should be worried, despite the majority they hold in the House of Commons. In fact it would be far better to see through this term until the next General Election, which will give them time to formally see through the leaving of the EU, without the need to bother themselves about the Corbyn-led Labour Party, that only see a role of subservience of their elected MP's to the whims of infiltrated Labour constituency offices and their brainwashed foot soldiers. As I said about the raison d'etre of these activists in an earlier thread, based loosely upon the parody song of the "Star Trek" TV series.....

"It's Democracy, Jim, but not as we know it"

 

[Dave1987]

I fear far more for this country when people start believing stories that appear in two bit 'newspapers' like the Standard

Well considering how many copies of the Metro are read every day because it's free and that is published by the Daily Mail I believe. Evening Standards end up all over our trains so I pick one up to have a flick through in my cab whilst waiting for departure time. Millions of people read the Standard especially in London.

 

[Howardh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...he-eu-36802756
Quote:
The new minister in charge of Brexit says the UK should be able to formally trigger its departure from the EU "before or by the start of next year".
David Davis called for a "brisk but measured" approach, with a likely exit from the EU around December 2

David Davis won't have the authority the press the button. That only applies to either the PM; or Parliament as a whole, in which case it will need a vote there, and in the Other House, and back and forth.
It isn't as easy as it looks, and constitutionally it's a nightmare for May who may well be taking legal advice on how to proceed correctly.
Basically everything's a bit ambiguous and any decision could be shot down in the courts (here or EU).

 

[miami]

I don't believe there's anything in article 50 or UK law to determine who has the authority to "push the button".

A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention.

How does a member state notify the council? You could argue the referendum itself was a notification. Could Boris do it (accidentally?), or does it have to come from a Council Member (and thus May). It's not clear to me.

And regardless of who has the power to invoke it, how is that notification made? Verbally? In session?

 

[DarloRich]

May I inquire as to the people who would be the prime movers and the methods that would be used now that the Conservative Party have acted far quicker than most expected to appoint a new Prime Minister and leader with a new Cabinet team to force "an early-ish General Election".

I see no reason whatsoever why, after making major changes at the top echelon, why the Conservatives should be worried, despite the majority they hold in the House of Commons. In fact it would be far better to see through this term until the next General Election, which will give them time to formally see through the leaving of the EU, without the need to bother themselves about the Corbyn-led Labour Party, that only see a role of subservience of their elected MP's to the whims of infiltrated Labour constituency offices and their brainwashed foot soldiers. As I said about the raison d'etre of these activists in an earlier thread, based loosely upon the parody song of the "Star Trek" TV series.....

"It's Democracy, Jim, but not as we know it"

Pure trolling. :roll:

May was scathing of Brown for NOT calling a general election when he assumed power yet suddenly feels that the same comments don't apply to her. Odd that.

Odd that Tory supporters don't want to hold themselves to the same standards they seek to impose on others. Who would have thought it?

Same old Tories. Same old bull.

 

[Rich McLean]

I don't believe there's anything in article 50 or UK law to determine who has the authority to "push the button".



How does a member state notify the council? You could argue the referendum itself was a notification. Could Boris do it (accidentally?), or does it have to come from a Council Member (and thus May). It's not clear to me.

And regardless of who has the power to invoke it, how is that notification made? Verbally? In session?

It would be according to the Nation States (ie the UK) Constitution on has the authority to press the button. In this case it would be through an Act of Parliament and once passed invoked by the PM who sits on the European Council.
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Pure trolling. :roll:

It is odd how May was scathing of Brown for NOT calling a general election when he assumed power yet suddenly feels that the same comments don't apply to her. Odd that.


Odd that Tory supporters don't want to hold themselves to the same standards they seek to impose on others. Who would have thought it?

Same old Tories. Same old bull.

It's been pointed out several times that due to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 that a General Election cannot be just called by the PM. It will either need a vote of 2/3rds of the house (including vacant seats) or a vote of no confidence, where the Government has 14 days to resolve where a second vote can taken place within that period if Confidence is restored.

None of the above will happen, especially as Labour are in no fit state to fight one and the Tories are unlikely to vote in favour of one either.

 

[miami]

May could gamble and call for parliament to dissolve, hope that Labour and SNP vote "no", fail to get the 434 votes but not because of the tory votes, and then blame it on Nick Clegg.

 

[DarloRich]

It would be according to the Nation States (ie the UK) Constitution on has the authority to press the button. In this case it would be through an Act of Parliament and once passed invoked by the PM who sits on the European Council.
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It's been pointed out several times that due to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 that a General Election cannot be just called by the PM. It will either need a vote of 2/3rds of the house (including vacant seats) or a vote of no confidence, where the Government has 14 days to resolve where a second vote can taken place within that period if Confidence is restored.

None of the above will happen, especially as Labour are in no fit state to fight one and the Tories are unlikely to vote in favour of one either.

I am aware of that although there are mechanisms that can be used by the PM. My point is the hypocrisy of asking others to meet standards you wont.

 

[ExRes]

Pure trolling. :roll:

May was scathing of Brown for NOT calling a general election when he assumed power yet suddenly feels that the same comments don't apply to her. Odd that.

Odd that Tory supporters don't want to hold themselves to the same standards they seek to impose on others. Who would have thought it?

Same old Tories. Same old bull.

I don't find it odd at all, Labour set the precedent so everyone else can follow that precedent as they choose, Tory supporters are holding themselves to exactly the political standards set by Blair and Brown

Same old Labour. Same old bull.

Labour set the precedent and now have the hypocrisy to complain, tough

 

[miami]

I don't find it odd at all, Labour set the precedent so everyone else can follow that precedent as they choose

Actually Major set the precedent in recent times, but there have been many more, not least Churchill, but also I believe Macmillan and Douglas-Home. Eden called an election upon taking office but the others didn't.

Labour set the precedent and now have the hypocrisy to complain, tough

Are Labour complaining?