Jeremy Corbyn's Traingate

[WelshL77]

Hi train people

Joined here to try to find something out ref this Corbyn thing.

I'm curious about the photos released and one in particular has two photos together, apparently both from 2 different carriages on the same journey but both have the cctv camera named as 'camera 3'. Would a train name different cameras with the same name? Or is it right and the camera name is just which number camera on that carriage? It did list the carriage number on both photos too.

Not knowing even the smallest thing about this kind of stuff I'm clueless tbh.

 

[Elecman]

I've just checked the train location according to the stamp on the images and they are around/ after New Southgate so train had definatly left KX

 

[bb21]

Hi train people

Joined here to try to find something out ref this Corbyn thing.

I'm curious about the photos released and one in particular has two photos together, apparently both from 2 different carriages on the same journey but both have the cctv camera named as 'camera 3'. Would a train name different cameras with the same name? Or is it right and the camera name is just which number camera on that carriage? It did list the carriage number on both photos too.

Not knowing even the smallest thing about this kind of stuff I'm clueless tbh.

Looks like Camera 3's in different carriages to me, one is 12316 and the other 10321.

 

[Robertj21a]

Stitched up by praising their helpful staff? They could have replied publicly and said our records show there were 100 empty seats in Coach F, but they didn't.

Just Corbyn being cynical, trying to appear in touch with the outside world. Those cctv images were just what is needed to get the truth out when people think they can lie through their teeth.

 

[Servotech Rail]

No, May was at The Home Office when the old Tory Paedo file "couldn't be found". Should I also mention that her department gave a huge contract to a firm that her husband holds shares in?

And while we're in the blue corner. What about the £360m promised for hospitals if we left the EU?

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"Promised" by whom? certainly not the government of the day.

 

[absolutelymilk]

In all of this, what has Corbyn himself said that is not true?

If one of his staff has said something that is untrue, and he has not corrected it, then its not enough for him to blame the other person - he has had nearly a fortnight to correct it, and he didn't tell anyone.

 

[thenorthern]

Regarding the release of images we have an odd situation in England that there is no privacy laws and legally one can film something from a public place and broadcast it without restriction so I don't think releasing the images breaches any laws.

In any case though I think its Virgin Trains weren't happy about some politician telling them why they are wrong without evidence and effectively misleading the public. Good on them though as if Corbyn wants to accuse Virgin Trains of being overcrowded then he should provide evidence.

 

[bnm]

Ok, part public/part private built, but successfully specified and procured by a public company.

Arguably not successfully specified. Where's the 140mph running? BR specified a train that the infrastructure they built/upgraded couldn't cope with.

 

[EM2]

If one of his staff has said something that is untrue, and he has not corrected it, then its not enough for him to blame the other person - he has had nearly a fortnight to correct it, and he didn't tell anyone.

And has a member of his staff said something that you know to be untrue?

 

[6Gman]

Stitched up by praising their helpful staff? They could have replied publicly and said our records show there were 100 empty seats in Coach F, but they didn't.

But they don't have such records.

 

[yorksrob]

Arguably not successfully specified. Where's the 140mph running? BR specified a train that the infrastructure they built/upgraded couldn't cope with.

Tilt was but a small aspect of the train design. We're still left with a highly successful fleet of high speed stock that has helped to grow passenger usage on the route over its existence and does so to this day.

To suggest otherwise is a simple untruth.

 

[AlterEgo]

This has pleased me so much today. Virgin Trains are very good at fighting back especially on Twitter & will argue their side. Never understand why so many TOCs roll over. Perhaps Corbyn should stick to the National Express coach network. It seems to suit him better.

I have no love for Virgin Trains but it's good to see a TOC throw a stone back from time to time.

 

[matt_world2004]

But they don't have such records.

London underground have software that estimates loadings on a london underground train to within a 2% accuracy based on etm data are you telling me a service whose large proportion of passengers are on an advance ticket can't, the shot of the reservation section in the video looks quite full actually the two gray seats are empty nut the rest appear full

 

[Mainliner]

Having used the ECML every week for 8 years, during which the only times (on a handful of occasions) I can recall seen people sitting on the floor - outside of rush hours - have been when there has been disruption or cancellations due to wires down/fatalities/failures, which clearly was not the case with Corbyn's train, I doubted the story from the outset - especially as I can confirm the less than full loadings on many services, as recently mentioned on another thread.

Most services I use have a number of unoccupied reserved seats, which anyone without a reservation can simply sit on after the reserved departure point, and easily move to another seat if the person who reserved it does happen to turn up later, but that wouldn't be as interesting for an accompanying TV crew.

 

[jayah]

But they don't have such records.

Apparently they do because you can count them in the pictures. Except you can't because their CCTV splash isn't proving anything.

Let's suppose this upgraded family aren't a fairy story, the 3 or 4 other groups quoted and photographed also sitting on the floor aren't made up either and the train was fully reserved with some passengers in the toilet / buffet.

Who is defaming whom? Waiting 12 days until the ballot papers have hit the doormat? That could be fun to explain.
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So Corbyn wants more trains and lower fares.

Lovely.

Funded by ... ?

Not spending god knows how many £bn buying new nuclear weapons that we will never use.

 

[bnm]

Tilt was but a small aspect of the train design. We're still left with a highly successful fleet of high speed stock that has helped to grow passenger usage on the route over its existence and does so to this day.

To suggest otherwise is a simple untruth.

I made and make no claims about how successful the Class 91+Mk4 stock has been in growing passenger numbers.

I merely countered your assertions that the stock was built by a public company and was successfully specified.

 

[Busaholic]

Readers of a more venerable disposition may remember Jennifer's Ear and make comparisons. Come to think of it, Corbyn himself is old enough to remember (I almost said 'old enough to know better', but that may be wishful thinking on my part).

 

[phoenixcronin]

Not spending god knows how many £bn buying new nuclear weapons that we will never use.

Never use? You don't seem to understand the concept of a deterrent.

 

[theironroad]

Having used the ECML every week for 8 years, during which the only times (on a handful of occasions) I can recall seen people sitting on the floor - outside of rush hours - have been when there has been disruption or cancellations due to wires down/fatalities/failures, which clearly was not the case with Corbyn's train, I doubted the story from the outset - especially as I can confirm the less than full loadings on many services, as recently mentioned on another thread.

Most services I use have a number of unoccupied reserved seats, which anyone without a reservation can simply sit on after the reserved departure point, and easily move to another seat if the person who reserved it does happen to turn up later, but that wouldn't be as interesting for an accompanying TV crew.

One of the best things Swt did was get rid of all seat reservations..

Most people don't dare tamper with seat reservation labels (as there is a fine if the letter of the byelaws is adhered to), so people walk past reservations or the seat is reserved for multiple parts of the train's journey.

There needs to be some reform of seat reservations, maybe all reservations should include a fee of £2, which might persuade people to see keep to their reservation or cancel it. People seat hopping doesn't help either, a person makes a reservation and boards the train but decides they don't like the seat or the view or direction etc and move to a unreserved seat but leaving their seat with a label in, thus deterring other passengers without any reservation.

 

[Robertj21a]

Apparently they do because you can count them in the pictures. Except you can't because their CCTV splash isn't proving anything.

Let's suppose this upgraded family aren't a fairy story, the 3 or 4 other groups quoted and photographed also sitting on the floor aren't made up either and the train was fully reserved with some passengers in the toilet / buffet.

Who is defaming whom? Waiting 12 days until the ballot papers have hit the doormat? That could be fun to explain.
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Not spending god knows how many £bn buying new nuclear weapons that we will never use.

I guess that you must be one of the Corbyn 'helpers' who have been thoroughly taken in [brainwashed] by his 'brave new world'............can I claim my prize now ?

 

[Harbornite]

Not spending god knows how many £bn buying new nuclear weapons that we will never use.

That's the whole point of a nuclear deterrent: to deter nuclear attacks.

 

[yorksrob]

I made and make no claims about how successful the Class 91+Mk4 stock has been in growing passenger numbers.

I merely countered your assertions that the stock was built by a public company and was successfully specified.

They were successfully specified. They've done the job they were built for well over the decades, along with the 125's.

Tilt would have been a nice to have, but a successful ECML in no way depended on it.

 

[Master29]

eh? What are you wittering on about. Corbyn, the great Mr Clean of politics, the great honest straight talker, the great red hope has been exposed as being economical with the truth. Just think about what this says about your hero. just think about how inept he and his campaign people have been shown to be.

So what do his £3 army do? They seek to attack and abuse any who dares voice a criticism of thier master. Your man messed up and has been caught out.

Like doesn`t the press of this little hovel of a nation like to kick this guy enough. He does this one thing wrong maybe and half the forum is wetting itself in fury.

'champagne socialists', 'JC made a booboo', 'the fascist right', Champagne socialsim', I'd advise a lie down in a cool room before you burst something

Corbyn has lied to put a false story in the press and he got caught out,Branson and Souter aren't pretending to be worthy of being Prime Minister, Corbyn is and Corbyn is a liar

No, they`re pretending to be worthy heads of a TOC . Tell that to the majority of their commuters.

 

[jayah]

I guess that you must be one of the Corbyn 'helpers' who have been thoroughly taken in [brainwashed] by his 'brave new world'............can I claim my prize now ?

Actually not. It is a sad reflection on current political discourse that many people think anyone who does not think like them is 'one of those' whichever faction they inhabit.

It will be a sad day if a global multinational can flout its own policy and the DPA and get away with it.
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Never use? You don't seem to understand the concept of a deterrent.

They haven't been a deterrent since Ronald Reagan because he was the last person mad enough to actually convince anyone that he would ever use them.

Anyone who did use Trident to kill a few million innocent Russians would only be 15 minutes further up the moral high ground than the person who fired their missiles first.

 

[All Line Rover]

Regarding the release of images we have an odd situation in England that there is no privacy laws and legally one can film something from a public place and broadcast it without restriction so I don't think releasing the images breaches any laws.

Not true (in numerous respects), although hardly applicable to Corbyn in this instance.

 

[phoenixcronin]

Like doesn`t the press of this little hovel of a nation like to kick this guy enough. He does this one thing wrong maybe and half the forum is wetting itself in fury.



No, they`re pretending to be worthy heads of a TOC . Tell that to the majority of their commuters.

Ah I see so the media reporting on a factual story now amounts to "kicking this guy"? Would you like to set up a politburo where only news favourable to the dear leader is allowed?

 

[Master29]

Ah I see so the media reporting on a factual story now amounts to "kicking this guy"? Would you like to set up a politburo where only news favourable to the dear leader is allowed?

As opposed to supporting a Government that has systematically screwed the rail industry into the ground for years, eventually harps on about all the new projects it has going on and saying how great they are but conveniently omits that we still have an appallingly backward rail infrastructure mainly down to them. Err yes. It might have been a better option.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Do people seriously think that Virgin released these images without first taking advice as to the legality of doing so?

Yes. Yes I do.

ETA it seems Virgin have now edited the photo from coach F to provide pixellation to passengers. So yes, I DEFINITELY think they released without checking and editing properly!

 

[EM2]

Ah I see so the media reporting on a factual story now amounts to "kicking this guy"? Would you like to set up a politburo where only news favourable to the dear leader is allowed?

Is it factual? All we know to be facts are that Corbyn got on a train, walked through some carriages, sat on the floor for a while, said some things to a camera, and then sat in a seat.
Everything else is implication, inference and conjecture.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Are you a lawyer who specialises in DPA issues. This chap is, he disagrees with you.

He's not a lawyer, and he is arguing that Virgin pixellated other passengers' faces. They didn't. The photo I posted showed several faces in coach F with no pixellation.

They could probably justify releasing Corbyn's image as he started it. But none of the other images. Even the pixellated faces are identifiable.

As for "jam packed", that's a subjective term, and I doubt any of us would agree on how to define a busy train.