I hope an error as if you check from Brighton and Gatwick it shows no TL trains at all.
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Information for GTR Southern passengers during strike (no DOO discussion)
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I presume that GWR will just use their own drivers on the services that are normally worked by Southern drivers?
Stew998
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Really looking forward to tomorrow's helping of modern commuting after today's broken rail fiasco.
Is it my imagination or is the BML falling apart? Even if it was run by a competent company that dealt with its staff like adults and the unions weren't tethered to the 1970s (does Mick Cash wear flares?) they'd still struggle to run a decent service when the signals spontaneously combust and rails break with monotonous regularity.
And that's not to mention sink holes and random idiots running around on the tracks. Rant over.
Is it my imagination or is the BML falling apart? Even if it was run by a competent company that dealt with its staff like adults and the unions weren't tethered to the 1970s (does Mick Cash wear flares?) they'd still struggle to run a decent service when the signals spontaneously combust and rails break with monotonous regularity.
And that's not to mention sink holes and random idiots running around on the tracks. Rant over.
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Yes they do. Their rest day pattern is in their contract.
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Correct. Not only do GatEx drivers drive GatEx trains, drivers from Barnham, Brighton, Norwood and Selhurst depots also drive them. And people wonder why the train service falls to bits as soon as the smallest thing happens!
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Yes they do.
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Almost. The roster pattern is contracted. So week 1 is Wed and Thu, week 2 Fri and Sat, week 3 Mon and Tue. Other staff have their roster patterns agreed (or enforced as seems to be the way now), so even other staff cannot have their rest days changed.
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Huh? DOO means driver only operation (the pros and cons of which can be debated in the dedicated thread, not this one) and has absolutely nothing to do with the inspection of tickets.
If a train has a Guard that doesn't necessarily mean your ticket will be checked (it may have a non-commercial Guard, if you travel with a TOC like Merseyrail or SWT, or the Guard may simply be performing other duties or not be equipped with a ticket machine, etc..)
If a train is DOO then that doesn't necessarily mean a ticket examiner won't be present. Ticket examiners/on-board managers are booked to be on all Scotrail DOO services, Southeastern Highspeed and are being introduced on GTR.
So, no, it does not in any way indicate whether or not your ticket is going to be checked.
I'm sure you know this, but it does need to be challenged as some people may actually believe it!
If you - or anyone else - wishes to discuss the pros and cons of DOO, here is a link to the relevant thread: DOO and related issues debate
Thankfully it does appear to be a mistake:
https://twitter.com/TLRailUK/status/805865644709253120
A concerning error that a professional train operator should probably have safeguards in place to prevent!
Southern doing a great job at keeping to their strike timetable I see, 0705 Uckfield to London Bridge is cancelled already
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That's fine, it just an observation for the last 2 months.
As mentioned they are a guard but between two locations they are not, it has been pointed out in this thread this is now normal on southern for now.
I noticed last night some trains were canceled due to industrial action, where as others were just or shown.Thankfully it does appear to be a mistake:
https://twitter.com/TLRailUK/status/805865644709253120
A concerning error that a professional train operator should probably have safeguards in place to prevent!
Southern doing a great job at keeping to their strike timetable I see, 0705 Uckfield to London Bridge is cancelled already
How come they were not able to remove them all. Maybe they realised they didn't have as many members of staff as they thought.
Incidentally I wonder if GTR will announce the percentage of trains running today. It surely can't be 61% or 62%. Has to be less.
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According to the BBC Southern were able to run 50% of services so that means the drivers managed to get 11-12% of services additionally cancelled compared to the last strike period when they were not working to rule.
Thus it seems about 11-12% services will regularly be cancelled Monday to Friday. As I don't know the number of services on a Saturday or Sunday and what the terms and conditions are for Sunday working, I don't know how they will be affected.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38206570?client=ms-android-samsung
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That will be partly because the 0606 TL was cancelled (fault on train) also the 0657 due to shortage of drivers.
I caught the 0619 TL from Brighton at Wivelsfield which was absolutely rammed by Gatwick so I changed for a GX Victoria train - which was then announced as short formed - pity anyone just arrived on these shores...
Now on a 12 car train via Redhill to Victoria.
Lousy information as usual, app showed the first train as running on time when I walked out my house (about ten minutes after it was scheduled to leave Brighton) but by the time I reached the station it was cancelled!
No information at Gatwick about the length of the train I caught until I asked; the platform assistant made an enquiry following which it magically flashed up on the board.
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Thankfully it does appear to be a mistake:
https://twitter.com/TLRailUK/status/805865644709253120
A concerning error that a professional train operator should probably have safeguards in place to prevent!
Southern doing a great job at keeping to their strike timetable I see, 0705 Uckfield to London Bridge is cancelled already
By 'professional' I take you to mean one that takes a pride in a good job, passenger-focused service and which has an eye for detail and accuracy. Then there's GTR...
SOUTHERN - 'Staggering On Until The Hate Exceeds Reasonable Norms'.
I'm surprised there was no short formation info as, if I've understood you correctly, it is a Gatwick Express service. I'd not be surprised where it any other service mind you or a Gatwick Express service heading south, as no days I'm surprised when they mention services, other than Gatwick Airport to London at all!
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I see that Southern or at least whoever enters the info into National Rail Enquiries, has given up point out about the conductors strike - preferring to just mention the Drivers regardless of whether it's a conductors strike day or not.
Furrher information button does at least take you to a page with more information.
It's very hard to plan anything more than a day in advance because GTR don't wish to enter anything in more than a day in advance it seems.
What would be the problem with them entering the service information in more than a day in advance?
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Guard, Conductor or OBS - I haven't seen a second crew member on board doing anything but operating the doors (where appropriate) for months, let alone any form of ticket checking. They have almost completely gone to ground.
I see the 7.29 Haywards Heath to Bedford was cancelled this morning due to a shortage of drivers. The 7.46 was cancelled throughout due to congestion! Where was this congestion? With less trains running you'd hope there might not be so much congestion. Note only two trains an hour run to Bedford and between 7 and 8 am no Thameslink trains run to London Bridge so that means all Thameslink services were canceled form Haywards Heath.
Brighton direction at least had two trains. The other two were canceled due to shortage of train drivers and in the other case, part cancelled due to congestion.
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Brighton direction at least had two trains. The other two were canceled due to shortage of train drivers and in the other case, part cancelled due to congestion.
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Yep. I was standing at East Croydon awaiting the 06.58 to Bedford which was cancelled but still showing up on the board. I saw the 4 carriage Gatwick Express also go through the station on it's way to London. The 07.23 was then 10 minutes late getting into Luton Airport Parkway as the driver said that it took an abnormally long time to get people on and off the train.
A real shambles on the railway.
A real shambles on the railway.
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An additional service planned for later on this evening: 1Z42 17:57 London Victoria to Eastbourne. I believe that this will be a pair of 442s (the stock is coming from Stewarts Lane) - they need to be in place at Eastbourne for Friday morning, so this is a useful move.
They must've found a spare Guard!
They must've found a spare Guard!
Interesting. I thought why didn't like one direction loves as people can easily get back. It's good news for some people though.
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This managed to lose 20 minutes between Victoria and Wivelsfield, despite the lack of traffic on the Brighton main line.
I do hope my fellow Southern commuters are being diligent in reclaiming every penny possible under Delay Repay and the special strike scheme. It's a pain, with Delay Repay leaflets being kept 'behind the counter' only, and the online form needing re-population of ticket details for every claim, but hitting one of the warring parties in the pocket is about the only satisfaction I'm getting at the moment.
I am surprised there aren't more angry commuters on this thread to be honest. It gets much less rage than the DOO thread which discusses the Southern dispute primarily. I see a few news articles about it, but not much during this strike. Has everyone got fatigue from criticising them?
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There are several forums (mostly Facebook groups) dedicated entirely to Southern commuters and these receive hundreds of posts per day.
Stew998
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To be honest I can't decide who I blame most, GTR, the guards, the RMT or the government but suffice it to say none of them are on my Christmas card list.
Thamesink down to their usual standard from Brighton:
0606 cancelled again today.
0619 only 8 cars.
0657 Cancelled due to a fault on the train.
The cynic in me says they've got the excuse roster in full swing.
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I daren't look but there are some amusing Twitter accounts like BadSouthernRail and Brighton Station Cat to while away the time when clocking up the next Delay Repay claim.
Bishopstone
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Football at the AMEX tomorrow evening.
I reckon, for kick ball, they will suddenly find lots of resource to run a Seaford branch service, that isn't available to get people to work, college and hospital appointments.
I reckon, for kick ball, they will suddenly find lots of resource to run a Seaford branch service, that isn't available to get people to work, college and hospital appointments.
The 7.25 was also part cancelled. Started late from Three Bridges. I know they ran a bus to Brighton from Haywards Heath at 5.25 this morning but I don't know if they ran any buses north after that. Wivelsfield had a train 6.43 and then nothing until 8.17 and that train was 3 minutes late! 3vminutes isn't much but it is if you'd been waiting since 7!
At least it's not so cold this morning. Both trains in between cancelled or part cancelled due to train faults rather than lack of drivers.
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The fans that tried to get home by train after the Villa game a few weeks ago might not agree with you, epic fail by Southern on that occasion, perhaps sabotaged by disgruntled guards/drivers?
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Be interesting to know which units failed, magnificent new 700s or something else? I'm not sure I believe any of the reasons given in any event.
Thameslink traction reliability seems to be a recurring issue worryingly, add fragile infrastructure, militant unions, incompetent GTR management and an indifferent government it's a toxic omnishambles.
Deepgreen
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Sorry, I'm confused - how can people easily get back from a one-direction move (and why is that bad)?
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Or Thameslink to Redhill and GWR to Guildford (depending on time of journey).
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DR becomes applicable to delays of 15 minutes or more from Sunday. I imagine that will see a vast surge in claims, assuming people can be bothered, of course. I'll do it only on principle, rather than the financial element, which is nowhere near adequate for the daily grind of failures. I wouldn't be surprised though, if the enhanced compensation will be balanced by a huge increase in response times, because I can't imagine Southern will have provided any extra resources to handle the increased traffic (just like their history of under-resourcing for their train service).
good point! Although NR is only showing ECR - Gatwick -Guildford for Thameslink. Do you know what tickets will be accepted, as I have a 2-6 to Guildford travelcard?
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Indeed, despite having already submitted annual season details and there being a tick-box for just that situation, which appears not to work!! They really cannot do anything right!
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I don't know, but I would hope that this would be considered a reasonable alternative route. I have an annual season from Dorking to London via Epsom or Redhill (I live at Betchworth) so already have the flexibility. If you can time your journeys to pick up the semi-fasts to Guildford at Redhill, it might not be a bad option (with good scenery too!).
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