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Information for GTR Southern passengers during strike (no DOO discussion)
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Ok, I have now noticed the typo in the word "several", and splitting the first (very long) sentence into two (between "fault" and "Southern") would read better. I won't pretend I'm the best proofreader in the world
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bengley
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Southern are saying there will be no Southern services on the ASLEF strike days
Oh well looks like the timetable planning department won't need to do much work for the strike days, just the non strike days. This of course starting a midnight, there will need to be transition day emergencies timetable periods?
I wonder if they will run a 'normal' timetable on Saturdays, like they did during the earlier emergency timetable.
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Bishopstone
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Including Metro routes?
If the trains in London stop running, there's a good chance it will all be sorted-out very quickly.
Can anyone imagine Kingswood or Ewell being unserved for three months, as Seaford was over the summer?
I'm guessing that if it's a drivers strike there could very well be no service at all on any routes.
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I had assumed - incorrectly, it seems - that Metro drivers were not within the scope of the ballot, as they already work wholly or mostly DOO.
Thameslink are going to be busy at East Croydon....
Talking of Thameslink: their London Bridge - Brighton service is often 1x377 between the peaks. As this uses Southern stock, of which there will be plenty spare on strike days, I trust these will all run 12-car.
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Why would they so that? Might confuse passengers if they see different rolling stock? Oh wait, they already do, do that.
Still it seems like a good idea so I'm sure it won't happen. That's the cynic in me saying that.
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TL operated 12 car Gatwick Express 387s on at least one of the strike days a few months ago - I expect this is a likely scenario again.
Does anyone know what was the cause of the congestion around the Purley Redhill area today? The 6.34 Reading to Gatwick Airport train was delayed due to signalling problems but got further delayed at Redhill it seems. It's return journey, the 8.03 was delayed due to congestion. That's now only stopping at Redhill, Guildford and Reading. I was quite surprised it went to Gatwick. The usual practice for delayed trains is to terminate them at Redhill. Maybe because the delay was slowly further increasing at Redhill, rather than in advance of that, they didn't do that.
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I see Govia are going for an injunction. Recent ECJ judgements mean that strikes infringing on freedom of movement, even domestically, can be tested for proportionality.
So far it has only been successful in the International context between member states, but given the obvious appetite for Judicial Activism do not be surprised if the 'law' is radically different a week from now.
It may be called democracy but if the political and judicial elite don't like what you voted for they won't be afraid to put a stop to it.
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Solent&Wessex
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It would be virtually impossible.
The amount of resources will vary from day to day, and from one time of day to another.
For example, on Monday you may be short of drivers in the morning, but on the next day you may be short in the afternoon.
And you can't always just move people around from one shift to another. There will be a book of terms and conditions which state how much movement from one shift to another is allowed. In normal circumstances many colleagues may be amenable to move outside these limits to help out, but when in dispute and you loose that goodwill then people may well stick rigidly to what is written down in the ts and cs.
Generally speaking a work to rule causes far more disruption and overall inconvenience than a plain old strike does.
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Which is why routes will be withdrawn (again) into an emegency timetable (again) to try and cater for the waves and troughs of uncovered turns. I'd put money on it.
Unless I have read this wrong from Tuesday all Seaford trains and west London line trains are cancelled again http://www.southernrailway.com/mobi...evere-and-significant-disruption-to-services/
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Looks like it is the emergency is running again without them admitting it.
Bishopstone
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Predictable, but disappointing that the Seaford branch has once again been singled-out for service withdrawal. Couldn't they have stopped the Brighton - West Worthing shuttles, this time, to spread the pain?
So we get a bus 'replacement' that doesn't start running until 07.30 (the first train from Seaford, by contrast, is at just after 05.00), and goes to Lewes via the long way around, where it doesn't connect with a train service. What is needed, additionally, is a bus that runs Seaford-Newhaven-fast to Brighton, so people can access London-bound trains.
One further, unrelated thought:
We are told the 'compensation' for season ticket holders, to be paid in January, will be generated by way of proactive approach from GTR, who hold our details.
As GTR hold our details, why are they not proactively approaching me as a first class season ticket holder, offering automatic partial refunds for each strike day when first class is declassified? As it stands, I need to complete a separate form for each day I'm claiming for, including re-inputting address and contact details every time.
So we get a bus 'replacement' that doesn't start running until 07.30 (the first train from Seaford, by contrast, is at just after 05.00), and goes to Lewes via the long way around, where it doesn't connect with a train service. What is needed, additionally, is a bus that runs Seaford-Newhaven-fast to Brighton, so people can access London-bound trains.
One further, unrelated thought:
We are told the 'compensation' for season ticket holders, to be paid in January, will be generated by way of proactive approach from GTR, who hold our details.
As GTR hold our details, why are they not proactively approaching me as a first class season ticket holder, offering automatic partial refunds for each strike day when first class is declassified? As it stands, I need to complete a separate form for each day I'm claiming for, including re-inputting address and contact details every time.
Errrr....altering rest day patterns? Yeah....
I see this applies 7 days a week. Previously it only applied Monday to Friday.
Also why is Gatwick Express only every 30 minutes. I thought they were a separate brand and their drivers part of this dispute?
What will happen to the few Great Western Railway services that use Southern staff. I assume they will be cancelled or start short, unless GWR can find some people to drive them.
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Also why is Gatwick Express only every 30 minutes. I thought they were a separate brand and their drivers part of this dispute?
What will happen to the few Great Western Railway services that use Southern staff. I assume they will be cancelled or start short, unless GWR can find some people to drive them.
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Because drivers from Southern depots are rostered Gat Ex turns. It's the Gat Ex only drivers who will be working.
No but it is to late to change them.
In the immediate term, of course, but who knows how long this will go on?
I'm not talking about rewriting the rosters for next week!
Didnt the RSSB predict 10 days? We are long past that, maybe Southern should sue them for poor advice!
Where are you reading this from? I can't find information about GX or the 7 days a week thing.
Which GW trains do they work, roughly?
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Yes. And fixed shift start and finish times. Depending on the agreements and ts and cs at each company you could possibly alter the work content within those hours, or alter the start time by say, +/- 2hrs either way, but nothing is universal so it depends on the ts and cs of each company.
So if I were a Southern driver, my contact might say that my working days are (for example) Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday and I might have Tuesday and Wednesday as permanent contractual rest days?
jamesst
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No if it's anything like my toc one week you may be off Mon/Tue, the following week Wed/Thur, the third week Fri/Sat and then back to week 1 the week after.
The Southern disruption says from Tuesday onwards so I assume it applies 7 days a week. If it doesn't and I've not misread the information, then Southern are giving out poor advice.
From what I've read on these forums, it's some early trains between Gatwick Airport and Redhill. Not sure of exact details.
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Minstral25
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On Tuesday 6th December (RMT Strike Day), the 6:26 Bedford, 6:34 London Bridge and 7:11 Bedford Thameslink trains from Redhill are all missing from NRE and Opentraintimes.com
Does this means Thameslink services aren't running that we haven't heard about due to ASLEF overtime action or is this an error by Network Rail in loading the timetable (took out Thameslinks as well as Southern trains by mistake perhaps)?
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