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Nothing to do with Scotrail, but for goodness sake. It's one hapless Transport Minister we have.

Transport Minister Humza Yousaf drove without insurance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38234763

Scotland's transport minister has been caught driving a friend's car without the proper insurance.

Humza Yousaf was stopped by police as he drove on the A835 between Inverness and Ullapool on Friday evening.

The officers carried out routine checks, which showed that Mr Yousaf was only insured to drive his own vehicle.

Mr Yousaf said a misunderstanding following his split from his wife had caused the "honest mistake" and that he would admit the offence.
Routine stop

The SNP politician was said to have been driving a friend's car to a St Andrew's Night dinner in Ullapool when he was pulled over by police in a routine stop. The pair are thought to have been sharing the driving on the journey.

Mr Yousaf said he later discovered that, following the breakup of his marriage and transfer of ownership of the couple's car, he did not complete the process of taking over as the main policy holder.

This would have enabled him to drive other vehicles - which his policy had previously enabled him to do.

Mr Yousaf said: "I believed I was in possession of fully comprehensive insurance, not just for my own car, and as such that I was insured to drive vehicles other than my own.

"If I had had even the slightest doubt about my insurance I would not have driven the car.

"However I remained insured to drive my own car at all times throughout."
'Honest mistake'

Mr Yousaf said he would accept any penalty that was imposed on him, and had "taken immediate steps to update my insurance cover".

He added: "This was an honest mistake, and an embarrassing one for me personally - however it underlines the importance of being properly insured at all times.

"I hope my example reminds others to check their insurance and I remain committed to my work to improve Scotland's transport system for everyone."

Mr Yousaf told the Scottish Sun newspaper that there was "nothing wrong with the car, no lights out, I wasn't speeding, there was no accident" when he was stopped by the officers.

The minister has been under pressure in recent weeks following widespread concern about the performance of ScotRail since Abellio took over the contract for the rail franchise last year.
 
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amcluesent

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No doubt the Magistrates will tell Humza he can let the Abellio train take the strain after they ban him from driving :)
 
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Nothing to do with Scotrail, but for goodness sake. It's one hapless Transport Minister we have.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38234763

It seems like the breakup of his marriage changed the terms of his insurance policy. If he's going through a marriage breakup, I'm sure insurance is one of the last things on his mind. It seems like the poor guy made an honest mistake and I see no reason for him to resign.
 

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It seems like the breakup of his marriage changed the terms of his insurance policy. If he's going through a marriage breakup, I'm sure insurance is one of the last things on his mind. It seems like the poor guy made an honest mistake and I see no reason for him to resign.

Don't bring reason to this forum. He must resign now...

Honest mistake under the carpet move on.
 

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When even Jackson Carlaw is saying that it's not a resignation matter, I think that's the end of the story.
 

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No doubt the Magistrates will tell Humza he can let the train take the strain after the ban him from driving :)

he'll get a £200 fine and 6 points on his licence. Standard punishment for no insurance.

It'll be an appearance at the Justice of the Peace court. No insurance is not serious enough to be up in front of a Sheriff. Although the Procurator Fiscal may well just offer him the chance to accept the fine and points by letter, thus avoiding a highly embarrassing court appearance.
 

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Nothing to do with Scotrail, but for goodness sake. It's one hapless Transport Minister we have.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38234763

This story doesn't add up for me.

Typically speaking, where a policy has "Diving other Cars" this is for the Policyholder only, although I think some give it to the main driver instead.

In either case, I can't see how his break up has put him in this situation.
he'll get a £200 fine and 6 points on his licence. Standard punishment for no insurance.
When it comes to insurance though, that IN10 will be a "gift" that keeps on giving...
If the policy is still in his wife's name, and he never got around to changing the insurance, how would he have lost his ability to drive other cars in either case? The insurance should have been as it was.
 
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So, the next time there's a meltdown on the railway, will Scotrail pass it off as a 'genuine mistake' and they are 'mortified'?
 

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It depends what the "mistake" is. Do you view your mistakes and oversights in such black white terms? When your marriage is breaking up, changing the car insurance is the last thing on your mind. Especially when you have to counter some of the absurd opinions on here and the Scottish "media".
 

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I don't have much time for the Transport Minister but a fixed penalty for driving without insurance isn't really resignation material.
 

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What would the 5 GwR trains have been? Surely not early HSTs?

From what's been discussed on another forum it appears Scotrail looked at the option of 5 x 153s joining next year as a temporary capacity boost ahead of their already planned changes. However, GWR now plan to keep the 153s for longer so they won't be freed up before their planned changes. They also enquired about the 8 x 172s but found they also won't be released before their planned changes so dismissed that option.
 

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Even the Tories don't care. Jackson Carlaw has said:

We don't believe this is a resignation matter. Anyone could have found themselves in this situation, due process has been followed, Mr Yousaf himself has apologised, and we should move on.

He's acted with integrity, being honest in a position where many in the past have proven to be untrustworthy (the most obvious example is former MP Chris Huhne). Let's move on and judge him on his record in the job.
 
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I don't have much time for the Transport Minister but a fixed penalty for driving without insurance isn't really resignation material.
 

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I remember several years ago there was a proposal to cascade either 153s or Pacers to the Strathclyde network, which met a major outcry culminating in SPT basically saying, "over our dead bodies will we take old cast-offs". The outcome was the order for new-build 170s.
 

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I remember several years ago there was a proposal to cascade either 153s or Pacers to the Strathclyde network, which met a major outcry culminating in SPT basically saying, "over our dead bodies will we take old cast-offs". The outcome was the order for new-build 170s.

I don't think it was, the proposal was much more recent than the 170 builds and was to address capacity on the Glasgow network. It was suggested that Pacers could be sourced for Paisley Canal/Whifflet/Anniesland to release 156 stock for strengthening elsewhere. Ultimately none were available and electrification with slack taken up in the EMU fleet was chosen as the answer to that particular question.

I wonder what the answer would have been had the D78 stock been available then ;)
 
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I remember several years ago there was a proposal to cascade either 153s or Pacers to the Strathclyde network, which met a major outcry culminating in SPT basically saying, "over our dead bodies will we take old cast-offs". The outcome was the order for new-build 170s.

IIRC didn't we get two extra 170s as compensation for the poor performance of the 334s when they were introduced? Certainly not aware of any solid proposals for 153s or pacers coming to Scotland but have heard murmurs in the rumour mill over the years.
 

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ScotRail unveils new ‘bullet train inspired’ fleet

The first Hitachi Class 385 electric train has been unveiled, nine months before making its passenger debut to help the train operator ease acute overcrowding on parts of the network.

It will start being tested in Scotland before Christmas prior to carrying passengers on the main Edinburgh-Glasgow line from September.

Transport minister Humza Yousaf, who viewed the train yesterday, said extensive testing should remove all “niggles and kinks”.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-unveils-new-bullet-train-inspired-fleet-1-4314838

Obviously the one thing that can never be removed on Scotrail trains is the RMT Guard!
 
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^Good to see that The Scotsman managed to report the 385 story at all, yesterday morning it looked like it had been censored as inconvenient good news.

Still not a cheep out of Scotland's notional newspaper on Edinburgh Gateway opening though.

Back on obsessive form today, still trying to squeeze a bit of life out of the skip stopping aspect of the Scotrail 'crisis':

Scotrail trains still missing out stations despite pledge

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...missing-out-stations-despite-pledge-1-4315175

ScotRail has admitted breaking a pledge that its busiest rush-hour trains will not miss station stops.

The train operator confirmed some such services have cut out stops.

ScotRail was unable to provide figures yesterday, but claimed the number was “miniscule”.

It comes a month after The Scotsman revealed ScotRail had ended “stop skipping” by its most heavily-used trains in the morning and evening peaks following passenger anger.

ScotRail stressed that missing out stops was not designed to get trains to their destinations on time.

Managing director Phil Verster said it was purely to reduce knock-on delays to other trains using the same routes by avoiding them also being held up behind a late-running service.

A spokeswoman for the ScotRail Alliance, which also includes Network Rail, said: “As announced in November, our new approach means we protect the busiest peak-time services.

“The majority of these are commuter trains travelling towards a major population hub in the morning, and away from it in the afternoon.

“An exception is peak services between Edinburgh and Glasgow via Falkirk High, where we protect services in both directions at the height of the morning and afternoon peaks.

“This happens rarely. We are talking about a miniscule number of services, but we do appreciate it has an impact on customers on board, hence the new approach which will mean far fewer customers are affected if we have no other option but to miss out a station.”
 

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Can someone precis the whole Scotrail adventure please?

My understanding is all was fine and dandy for a while, everyone went to bed one evening, woke up the next morning and the whole network was on fire.
 

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Can someone precis the whole Scotrail adventure please?

My understanding is all was fine and dandy for a while, everyone went to bed one evening, woke up the next morning and the whole network was on fire.
You've got it pretty much, other than the bit about the network being on fire. It isn't, it's performing pretty much to the standards of a year or two years ago. My personal take on it is that the whole tedious saga is a short sharp case study in post truth politics. Others may like to put forward their own historical accounts, and I'd be interested to read them.

This thread, which started in early October but fizzled out in mid November, might give you a few clues:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=136317

This one started with upset over £1m per month (annualised a sum that wouldn't even buy us a wayside halt at Network Rail's prices) in profit going to Abellio, and seemed to irrationally touch a raw nerve politically. It seemed to be okay for previous incumbent First, based in Aberdeen, to rake off similar amounts to service its international debt mountain.

But before that, as far as I can see the 'crisis' was spawned over the summer when there was significant disruption caused by the closure of Queen Street High Level for six months for EGIP and tunnel works. Many of us were inconvenienced for quite a long time but, ironically, the closure itself was very well handled by both Scotrail and Network Rail from a passenger point of view.

We were also inconvenienced by cancellations caused by the conductors dispute, long since resolved, and (personally for me) a spate of technical faults, which partly coincided with the Queen Street upheaval. I was getting pretty cheesed off myself at that time.

Then there's the issue of overcrowding, almost entirely caused by the UK-wide shortage of diesel units and a few (most of them unavoidable) decisions taken by Transport Scotland.

The unions and Labour agitating for nationalisation as the answer to all of the railway's challenges and seeing an opportunity when other voices started to be raised.

A lazy political class of all parties, and a cash strapped and lazy media who have latched on to an easy narrative to keep them going through the autumn. They've been particularly active in poring over irrelevant performance statistics and quoting them in best post truth style.

An inexperienced and hapless Transport Minister who thought it was a good idea to join in the chorus and then looked a bit surprised when people started to demand his resignation.

Abellio could have handled their PR rather better, they seem to have been on the back foot constantly, but I don't know what instructions, helpful or otherwise, they've been taking from Transport Scotland or the Minister.

That's what I think anyway...
 
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Could somebody please explain the term "post truth"?

I've heard of post-modernism, post-feminism, post-Marxism, etc, but have never heard of post truth.

Is "post truth" another form of corporate bollocks speak nowadays, similar to "pushing an envelope"?
 

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Is "post truth" another form of corporate bollocks speak nowadays, similar to "pushing an envelope"?

No, it's a lot more dangerous than that:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth_politics

Post-truth politics (also called post-factual politics) is a political culture in which debate is framed largely by appeals to emotion disconnected from the details of policy, and by the repeated assertion of talking points to which factual rebuttals are ignored.
 

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Sorry if this is the wrong thread to post this question. I have a friend who uses this company on the Milngaive line. They sit near the drivers cab and they can sometimes hear an announcement in the cab that is something similar to:

"In two minutes - 'something here'

Does anyone know what the full announcement is and what's the purpose of it? It's not an announcement the whole train can hear apparently but only when sat near the drivers cab. I believe the trains are Class 334.
 
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