Blackpool - Manchester Electrification

[LDECRexile]

I have selected and organised the photos Graham and I took last Thursday, but not annotated them.

I've added Graham's to his album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157653298637359

and our combined efforts to the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633

I'll do the captions this evening, Tuesday is grandadding day.

 

[L+Y]

Not sure if this has been reported already, but masts and wires are now in place from the remodelled Ordsall Lane junction up to Liverpool Road, Salford.

 

[thealexweb]

Not sure if this has been reported already, but masts and wires are now in place from the remodelled Ordsall Lane junction up to Liverpool Road, Salford.

Does that means these previously installed masts have wires now?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/26925158541/in/album-72157661069863633/

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Does that means these previously installed masts have wires now?

Yes they do, and all the new signalling is operational.
The promised piled bases have gone in between Buckshaw and Euxton Jn (35 in all).
Some are actually on the WCML route, as far as the north end of the junction layout.
There are also some new ones between Lostock and Buckshaw, but it's difficult knowing which are completely new and which are replacements for previously installed concrete bases.
Certainly a few more leaving Bolton on the Down.
Chorley P1 still not open.

 

[thealexweb]

Yes they do, and all the new signalling is operational.
The promised piled bases have gone in between Buckshaw and Euxton Jn (35 in all).
Some are actually on the WCML route, as far as the north end of the junction layout.
There are also some new ones between Lostock and Buckshaw, but it's difficult knowing which are completely new and which are replacements for previously installed concrete bases.
Certainly a few more leaving Bolton on the Down.
Chorley P1 still not open.

Thank you for the information. I was sure some more bases had gone in at Euxton Junction. I tried to photograph it, but on the furthest away line at speed the results were woeful, see attached.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Thank you for the information. I was sure some more bases had gone in at Euxton Junction. I tried to photograph it, but on the furthest away line at speed the results were woeful, see attached.

I have selected and organised the photos Graham and I took last Thursday, but not annotated them.

I've added Graham's to his album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157653298637359

and our combined efforts to the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633

I'll do the captions this evening, Tuesday is grandadding day.

Full updates to Euxton Jct with photos see Dave's (LDECRExile) post - loads of photos of the bases etc at Euxton

 

[LDECRexile]

I have selected and organised the photos Graham and I took last Thursday, but not annotated them.

I've added Graham's to his album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157653298637359

and our combined efforts to the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633

I'll do the captions this evening, Tuesday is grandadding day.

I've now captioned them.

 

[LDECRexile]

I've now captioned them.

I inadvertantly put Graham's shots in the wrong album. I have now put my house in order and done a spring clean; his photo contributions are here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157651259517065

The Combined Volume (CV) is not affected.

I attach a spreadsheet showing the tremendous film and photo contribution made to the CV by people from far and wide. I really appreciate the scale, skill and goodwill.

Please keep 'em coming.

 

[snowball]

Not sure if this has been reported already, but masts and wires are now in place from the remodelled Ordsall Lane junction up to Liverpool Road, Salford.

Great news. Thanks for the info. I think you mean Liverpool Street.

I think these are the first wires between either Ordsall Lane or Deal Street and Euxton.

 

[thealexweb]

I've now captioned them.

That's great. Thank you.

 

[42626]

The details of the new footbridge to be installed at Anderton Hall Crossing can be seen on the Bolton Council Planning website. I can't link directly to the drawings as the links contain session IDs that expire, but you can download the PDFs.

I note from the planning statement that Network Rail "does not intend to alter the existing approaches; therefore the current conditions will not be changed.", referring to the footpaths either side. On a recent walk however, National Grid Gas have marked out the position of their high pressure gas main that passes under the path on the Blackrod side of the crossing for anyone digging here and there are a number of exploratory scrapes further up the footpath to determine how wide the cobbled path extends beneath the overgrown grass/soil. Given the proximity to the A6, I'm wondering whether NR intend to use this path as access to the crossing, but I'm concerned that the path may get resurfaced to achieve this and the cobbles lost. There is also the possibility that Bolton Council will be resurfacing it anyway or clearing the growth.

 

[PDG1949]

I inadvertantly put Graham's shots in the wrong album. I have now put my house in order and done a spring clean; his photo contributions are here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157651259517065

The Combined Volume (CV) is not affected.

I attach a spreadsheet showing the tremendous film and photo contribution made to the CV by people from far and wide. I really appreciate the scale, skill and goodwill.

Please keep 'em coming.

And I'm sure we all really appreciate the tremendous amount of work you've put in assembling these photographic historical records.

Thanks for assembling the contributors' spreadsheet - there's only one problem - you've left out a certain LDECRexile (and are you able to work out how many of his shots ?)

 

[deltic08]

And I'm sure we all really appreciate the tremendous amount of work you've put in assembling these photographic historical records.

Thanks for assembling the contributors' spreadsheet - there's only one problem - you've left out a certain LDECRexile (and are you able to work out how many of his shots ?)

I agree. I just wish you would move around the Country and live in a few more places such as Thames Valley or Scottish Central Belt as photos of progress on other wiring schemes is woefully lacking.

 

[SodTheDrummer]

There is also the possibility that Bolton Council will be resurfacing it anyway or clearing the growth.

I wouldn't hold your breath on that, currently they seem to be more concerned with the refurbishment of (certain) solicitor's offices so money for trivial things like footpath/road repair etc is in short supply...

Obviously, this all the evil government's fault for pinching all the pennies and nothing whatsoever to do with catastrophic financial mismanagement by the council (whose current leader was sacked by the local NHS trust after a £5m financial black hole was discovered)

Rant over. :-x

 

[fflint]

I agree. I just wish you would move around the Country and live in a few more places such as Thames Valley or Scottish Central Belt as photos of progress on other wiring schemes is woefully lacking.

I couldn't agree more with Deltic08's comments, when I follow other schemes around the UK on here I find the Information collect by our on site reporters to be far and away better.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

And I'm sure we all really appreciate the tremendous amount of work you've put in assembling these photographic historical records.

Thanks for assembling the contributors' spreadsheet - there's only one problem - you've left out a certain LDECRexile (and are you able to work out how many of his shots ?)

I agree. I just wish you would move around the Country and live in a few more places such as Thames Valley or Scottish Central Belt as photos of progress on other wiring schemes is woefully lacking.

I couldn't agree more with Deltic08's comments, when I follow other schemes around the UK on here I find the Information collect by our on site reporters to be far and away better.

Sir David Hull - Knight of the British Empire (that has a nice ring to it ) - generously gives credit to those that contribute photos and other such as myself and Paul Gaskell - but it is Dave that does all the work uploading and makes a huge contribution himself- An unsung hero - I may start a petition to Downing St to get him in next years New Year Honour list. It is why this and the Liverpool-Manchester electrification thread were/are "must reads" every single day. I am really looking forward in the next few months to the progressometer getting dusted off.

 

[LDECRexile]

I really appreciate people's kind comments, thank you.

Best of all is the overall mix in the Liverpool-Manchester and Blackpool-Manchester electrification threads where contributions by locals, amateurs and engaged professionals are glued together by positivity and goodwill.

We acknowledge the tremendous good that is done "out there" and comment constructively on things which puzzle or disappoint.

Nowt snide, no whingeing, no smarty-pants point scoring: a pleasure to be part of.

 

[PDG1949]

I really appreciate people's kind comments, thank you.

Best of all is the overall mix in the Liverpool-Manchester and Blackpool-Manchester electrification threads where contributions by locals, amateurs and engaged professionals are glued together by positivity and goodwill.

We acknowledge the tremendous good that is done "out there" and comment constructively on things which puzzle or disappoint.

Nowt snide, no whingeing, no smarty-pants point scoring: a pleasure to be part of.

Beautifully put, 'Sir David' - Let's hope you don't have to wait as long as Doddy !!

 

[LDECRexile]

The details of the new footbridge to be installed at Anderton Hall Crossing can be seen on the Bolton Council Planning website. I can't link directly to the drawings as the links contain session IDs that expire, but you can download the PDFs.

I note from the planning statement that Network Rail "does not intend to alter the existing approaches; therefore the current conditions will not be changed.", referring to the footpaths either side. On a recent walk however, National Grid Gas have marked out the position of their high pressure gas main that passes under the path on the Blackrod side of the crossing for anyone digging here and there are a number of exploratory scrapes further up the footpath to determine how wide the cobbled path extends beneath the overgrown grass/soil. Given the proximity to the A6, I'm wondering whether NR intend to use this path as access to the crossing, but I'm concerned that the path may get resurfaced to achieve this and the cobbles lost. There is also the possibility that Bolton Council will be resurfacing it anyway or clearing the growth.

Your worries should be groundless, as the consent expressly says change nowt but the bridge. However, life can throw spanners in the works.

I'm encouraged by the foot crossing south of Farnworth Tunnel which was replaced with a superb viewing platform (aka footbridge like the one proposed for Anderton) without any vehicle access along approach paths. They did everything from the railway.

Some other replacement bridges have involved access by light caterpillar-tracked vehicles, but that has merely churned up the path borders with no lasting impact for good or ill.

Luckily we've got you to keep your eye out.

I wonder if there is comparable on-line documentation for the other foot crossings.

 

[42626]

I'm encouraged by the foot crossing south of Farnworth Tunnel which was replaced with a superb viewing platform (aka footbridge like the one proposed for Anderton) without any vehicle access along approach paths. They did everything from the railway.

Yes, I'm expecting them to be able to do the same here.

I wonder if there is comparable on-line documentation for the other foot crossings.

Yes there are and not just footbridges - Bolton platform five layout is there and a new substation at Lostock:

98071/16 LISTED BUILDING CONSENT TO INSTALL ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT TO UNDERSIDE OF BRIDGE, IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTRIFICATION OF RAILWAY | BENTLEY'S BRIDGE TO THE EAST OF CARLTON STREET, FARNWORTH, BL4 7PJ.

97365/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: TO ERECT A FOOTBRIDGE AT PLATFORM FIVE. | BOLTON RAILSTATION, TRINITY STREET, BOLTON

96761/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: TO EXTEND THE CANOPY TO PLATFORM 5. | BOLTON RAILSTATION, TRINITY STREET, BOLTON

97810/16 | ERECTION OF COMPOUND CONTAINING ELECTRICITY SUBSTATION AND ASSOCIATED STRUCTURES TOGETHER WITH 3 METRE HIGH PALISADE FENCING | LAND TO EAST LOSTOCK PARKWAY RAILWAY STATION, RUMWORTH ROAD, LOSTOCK, BOLTON

96785/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: TO ERECT A STEPPED FOOTBRIDGE. | ANDERTON HALL LEVEL CROSSING, FACTORY BROW, BLACKROD, BOLTON

93477/15 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 11 OF THE GDPO: CONSTRUCTION OF STEPPED FOOTBRIDGE AT KEARSLEY LEVEL CROSSING | NORTHWEST OF EXISTING LEVEL CROSSING, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93759/15 | CONSTRUCTION OF SOIL NAILED RETAINING WALL AT NORTH WESTERN APPROACH TO CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL TOGETHER WITH ERECTION OF WOODEN PALISADE FENCE. | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93760/15 | LISTED BUILDING CONSENT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SOIL NAILED RETAINING WALL AT NORTH WESTERN APPROACH TO CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL TOGETHER WITH ERECTION OF PALISADE FENCE. | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93644/15 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 11 OF THE GDPO: REMOVAL OF EXISTING BRIDGE AND ERECTION OF NEW BRIDGE STRUCTURE | CEMETERY ROAD BRIDGE, FARNWORTH, BOLTON, BL4 7QZ

93706/15 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 11 OF THE GDPO: REMOVAL OF EXISTING BRIDGE AND ERECTION OF NEW BRIDGE STRUCTURE | ORLANDO STREET BRIDGE, BOLTON BL2

93326/14 | AMENDMENT TO PREVIOUS APPROVED APPLICATION 87438/12 ERECTION OF FOOTBRIDGE FROM APPROVED INTERCHANGE TO THE EXISTING RAIL STATION | LAND BOUNDED BY BOLLINGS YARD/JOHNSON STREET/NEWPORT STREET/GREAT MOOR STREET (INCLUDING THE RAILWAY TRIANGLE), BOLTON.

93252/14 | ENLARGEMENT OF EXISTING NORTHERN TUNNEL, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION OF NEW CONCRETE TUNNEL PORTALS, INFILLING OF EXISTING VENTILATION SHAFT, CONCRETE LINING OF SOUTHERN TUNNEL, INSTALLATION OF SHEET PILED FOUNDATIONS AND ASSOCIATED WORKS, REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTRIFICATION OF RAILWAY | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, TO THE NORTH OF CHURCH ROAD, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93253/14 | LISTED BUILDING CONSENT FOR THE ENLARGEMENT OF EXISTING NORTHERN TUNNEL, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION OF NEW CONCRETE TUNNEL PORTALS, INFILLING OF EXISTING VENTILATION SHAFT, CONCRETE LINING OF SOUTHERN TUNNEL, INSTALLATION OF SHEET PILED FOUNDATIONS AND ASSOCIATED WORKS, REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTRIFICATION OF RAILWAY | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, TO THE NORTH OF CHURCH ROAD, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

Not part of Bolton-Preston, but the other side of the Lostock bridge on the Wigan line:

95809/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: REMOVAL OF EXISTING BRIDGE AND ERECTION OF NEW BRIDGE STRUCTURE. | RUMWORTH ROAD BRIDGE, RUMWORTH ROAD, LOSTOCK, BOLTON

These are all just under the Bolton Borough - there should be more under Salford and Lancashire.

 

[superkev]

There has been much criticism of the gw electrification with regard to the 1000 or so separate planning applications to many Laval authorities rather than one all encompassing one. For interest how is the Nw scheme done?
K

 

[snowball]

There has been much criticism of the gw electrification with regard to the 1000 or so separate planning applications to many Laval authorities rather than one all encompassing one. For interest how is the Nw scheme done?
K

It has separate applictions for the far smaller number of listed buildings/structures affected. See some examples in the post above yours. It doesn't have an overall Transport & Works order, which is the alternative now being suggested for what the GW might have done.

Of course there's a T&W order for the Ordsall Chord (remember Mark Whitby), and another for the fourth track at Huyton now under construction, and two others awaiting ministerial approval: one for the alterations at Piccadilly and Oxford Road, and one for new bits of track on the Hope Valley route requiring new land-take.

--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

and a new substation at Lostock:

That's been withdrawn, as I think was mentioned upthread, and as can be seen by clicking on your link. Will there be one elsewhere instead?

 

[SodTheDrummer]

Yes, I'm expecting them to be able to do the same here.



Yes there are and not just footbridges - Bolton platform five layout is there and a new substation at Lostock:

98071/16 LISTED BUILDING CONSENT TO INSTALL ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT TO UNDERSIDE OF BRIDGE, IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTRIFICATION OF RAILWAY | BENTLEY'S BRIDGE TO THE EAST OF CARLTON STREET, FARNWORTH, BL4 7PJ.

97365/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: TO ERECT A FOOTBRIDGE AT PLATFORM FIVE. | BOLTON RAILSTATION, TRINITY STREET, BOLTON

96761/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: TO EXTEND THE CANOPY TO PLATFORM 5. | BOLTON RAILSTATION, TRINITY STREET, BOLTON

97810/16 | ERECTION OF COMPOUND CONTAINING ELECTRICITY SUBSTATION AND ASSOCIATED STRUCTURES TOGETHER WITH 3 METRE HIGH PALISADE FENCING | LAND TO EAST LOSTOCK PARKWAY RAILWAY STATION, RUMWORTH ROAD, LOSTOCK, BOLTON

96785/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: TO ERECT A STEPPED FOOTBRIDGE. | ANDERTON HALL LEVEL CROSSING, FACTORY BROW, BLACKROD, BOLTON

93477/15 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 11 OF THE GDPO: CONSTRUCTION OF STEPPED FOOTBRIDGE AT KEARSLEY LEVEL CROSSING | NORTHWEST OF EXISTING LEVEL CROSSING, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93759/15 | CONSTRUCTION OF SOIL NAILED RETAINING WALL AT NORTH WESTERN APPROACH TO CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL TOGETHER WITH ERECTION OF WOODEN PALISADE FENCE. | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93760/15 | LISTED BUILDING CONSENT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SOIL NAILED RETAINING WALL AT NORTH WESTERN APPROACH TO CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL TOGETHER WITH ERECTION OF PALISADE FENCE. | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93644/15 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 11 OF THE GDPO: REMOVAL OF EXISTING BRIDGE AND ERECTION OF NEW BRIDGE STRUCTURE | CEMETERY ROAD BRIDGE, FARNWORTH, BOLTON, BL4 7QZ

93706/15 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 11 OF THE GDPO: REMOVAL OF EXISTING BRIDGE AND ERECTION OF NEW BRIDGE STRUCTURE | ORLANDO STREET BRIDGE, BOLTON BL2

93326/14 | AMENDMENT TO PREVIOUS APPROVED APPLICATION 87438/12 ERECTION OF FOOTBRIDGE FROM APPROVED INTERCHANGE TO THE EXISTING RAIL STATION | LAND BOUNDED BY BOLLINGS YARD/JOHNSON STREET/NEWPORT STREET/GREAT MOOR STREET (INCLUDING THE RAILWAY TRIANGLE), BOLTON.

93252/14 | ENLARGEMENT OF EXISTING NORTHERN TUNNEL, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION OF NEW CONCRETE TUNNEL PORTALS, INFILLING OF EXISTING VENTILATION SHAFT, CONCRETE LINING OF SOUTHERN TUNNEL, INSTALLATION OF SHEET PILED FOUNDATIONS AND ASSOCIATED WORKS, REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTRIFICATION OF RAILWAY | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, TO THE NORTH OF CHURCH ROAD, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

93253/14 | LISTED BUILDING CONSENT FOR THE ENLARGEMENT OF EXISTING NORTHERN TUNNEL, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION OF NEW CONCRETE TUNNEL PORTALS, INFILLING OF EXISTING VENTILATION SHAFT, CONCRETE LINING OF SOUTHERN TUNNEL, INSTALLATION OF SHEET PILED FOUNDATIONS AND ASSOCIATED WORKS, REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTRIFICATION OF RAILWAY | CLAMMERCLOUGH TUNNEL, TO THE NORTH OF CHURCH ROAD, KEARSLEY, BOLTON

Not part of Bolton-Preston, but the other side of the Lostock bridge on the Wigan line:

95809/16 | APPLICATION FOR PRIOR APPROVAL UNDER PART 18 OF THE GDPO: REMOVAL OF EXISTING BRIDGE AND ERECTION OF NEW BRIDGE STRUCTURE. | RUMWORTH ROAD BRIDGE, RUMWORTH ROAD, LOSTOCK, BOLTON

These are all just under the Bolton Borough - there should be more under Salford and Lancashire.

Looking at some of these it seems like they are courtesy notifications and are considered permitted development? i.e. NR don't require permission as such but notify council anyway to cover their backs..? Or am I being stupid? (Please be kind with replies! )

 

[deltic08]

Sir David Hull - Knight of the British Empire (that has a nice ring to it ) - generously gives credit to those that contribute photos and other such as myself and Paul Gaskell - but it is Dave that does all the work uploading and makes a huge contribution himself- An unsung hero - I may start a petition to Downing St to get him in next years New Year Honour list. It is why this and the Liverpool-Manchester electrification thread were/are "must reads" every single day. I am really looking forward in the next few months to the progressometer getting dusted off.

It doesn't work like that. The prospective recipient is supposed to be unaware of being nominated until the letter asking if they are willing to accept from Buckingham Palace after it has all been approved.

You have probably prevented Dave from being nominated now.

Downloadable form and rules available online. You will need a couple of references also.

 

[SodTheDrummer]

It doesn't work like that. The prospective recipient is supposed to be unaware of being nominated until the letter asking if they are willing to accept from Buckingham Palace after it has all been approved.

You have probably prevented Dave from being nominated now.

Downloadable form and rules available online. You will need a couple of references also.

Doh!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Sir David Hull - Knight of the British Empire (that has a nice ring to it ) - generously gives credit to those that contribute photos and other such as myself and Paul Gaskell - but it is Dave that does all the work uploading and makes a huge contribution himself- An unsung hero - I may start a petition to Downing St to get him in next years New Year Honour list. It is why this and the Liverpool-Manchester electrification thread were/are "must reads" every single day. I am really looking forward in the next few months to the progressometer getting dusted off.

It doesn't work like that. The prospective recipient is supposed to be unaware of being nominated until the letter asking if they are willing to accept from Buckingham Palace after it has all been approved.
You have probably prevented Dave from being nominated now.

For a minute I thought it had already happened.
http://www.paediatricsandchildhealthjournal.co.uk/article/S0957-5839(97)80116-9/pdf

 

[42626]

Looking at some of these it seems like they are courtesy notifications and are considered permitted development? i.e. NR don't require permission as such but notify council anyway to cover their backs..? Or am I being stupid? (Please be kind with replies! )

I think most of them are, but does mean that we get to see the supporting documentation and drawings.

 

[edwin_m]

I think most of them are, but does mean that we get to see the supporting documentation and drawings.

If I recall correctly, NR still need listed building consent if that is applicable, even if the alterations would otherwise be permitted development.

 

[CdBrux]

It has separate applictions for the far smaller number of listed buildings/structures affected. See some examples in the post above yours. It doesn't have an overall Transport & Works order, which is the alternative now being suggested for what the GW might have done.

In summary what are the pro's & cons of a T&W order vs lots of separate planning permissions?

 

[42626]

If I recall correctly, NR still need listed building consent if that is applicable, even if the alterations would otherwise be permitted development.

Yes, some of them do mention listed structure/building