Terms used "darn sarf" that baffle us oiks up north

[adrock1976]

Pound notes. They don't exist now of course (although I have two in my drawer along with an old fiver!) but in the 60's that's what they were called - the argument is whether the "k" should be written!!

The Royal Bank of Scotland still printed £1 notes for many years after the Bank of England ceased to do so some time in the 1980s.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Pound notes. They don't exist now of course (although I have two in my drawer along with an old fiver!) but in the 60's that's what they were called - the argument is whether the "k" should be written!!

Hence "half a nicker" being a "ten bob note"

 

[sk688]

What is a carnet ?

I live in London , but have never used a carnet before . Ive heard of it though .
Is it basically an Oyster

 

[Cowley]

Do you mean like having a monk on?

Yes that sounds similar, although I haven't heard it before.
"I tried to get the kids out for a walk but they've all got a cob on".
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Pound notes. They don't exist now of course (although I have two in my drawer along with an old fiver!) but in the 60's that's what they were called - the argument is whether the "k" should be written!!

Ah I see, thanks for explaining Howard.
Have a nice day

 

[Howardh]

Yes that sounds similar, although I haven't heard it before.
"I tried to get the kids out for a walk but they've all got a cob on".
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Ah I see, thanks for explaining Howard.
Have a nice day

Don't you start.....
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The Royal Bank of Scotland still printed £1 notes for many years after the Bank of England ceased to do so some time in the 1980s.

I thought they still did - but then again not seen one for years. Nice to be updated!!

Cruelly I could say they don't print them any more as there's not enough room for King Alex and Queen Nicola's heads, but I won't.

 

[adrock1976]

Being as Alex Salmond once worked for RBS as an economic advisor (I think that was his role), I'm surprised there has not been a RBS banknote with his mugshot on it.

 

[AM9]

Being as Alex Salmond once worked for RBS as an economic advisor (I think that was his role), I'm surprised there has not been a RBS banknote with his mugshot on it.

There is, - in the security desk drawer a memo on Bank headed notepaper with a picture stapeled to the top left corner. The note says not to ever let this person on the premises again.

 

[edwin_m]

What is a carnet ?

I live in London , but have never used a carnet before . Ive heard of it though .
Is it basically an Oyster

No, it's a batch of identical paper tickets for the same journey bought at the same time, at a lower price than buying them separately. The validity of the tickets is undefined when they are bought but each one needs validating when it used. This is usually by writing the date on them but with the Paris ones the entrance barrier stamps the date on it.

Oyster is a Travelcard (unlimited travel in a certain area for a certain period) or Pay as you Go (a certain amount of money stored on the card which is debited as journeys are made) or both.

 

[Elecman]

Also it Oop Norf not Up

 

[AM9]

... Oyster is a Travelcard (unlimited travel in a certain area for a certain period) or Pay as you Go (a certain amount of money stored on the card which is debited as journeys are made) or both.

Oyster were originally introduced in 2003. I believe that their introduction was influenced by the success of the HKTA 'Octopus' cards in 1997 which had similar functions.

 

[prod_pep]

The use of double identical vowels is not allowed in the written version of a Northern patois. It is the correct procedure to replace a second identical letter "A" in the middle of a word by the letter "R"... hence "darn sarf"....

Sorry for being pedantic again, but the 'r' in darn is not silent even within parts of Northern England (particularly in Lancashire), not to mention much of South West England, Scotland, Ireland and North America. To them, it would be more like 'dahn Sahf'. Regardless, to these Northern ears, many Southerners say it more like 'daan Saaf' especially in London and Essex.

Also it Oop Norf not Up

To me the 'oo' there would be pronounced as it is in 'food'. Then again, I do sometimes pronounce 'look' as 'Luke' but that's an accent thing.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Sorry for being pedantic again, but the 'r' in darn is not silent even within parts of Northern England (particularly in Lancashire), not to mention much of South West England, Scotland, Ireland and North America. To them, it would be more like 'dahn Sahf'. Regardless, to these Northern ears, many Southerners say it more like 'daan Saaf' especially in London and Essex.

In this debate so far, there have been contributions from the "Northern Provinces" which in the case of those resident on the western side of the Pennines, involves the learned tome "Lanky spoke here" being used as a benchmark reference to the written word.

My original posting was based upon the written, not the phoenetic, used of the word that most comes within your writ of pedantry in which your undoubted expertise is unquestioned. However, if one looks at a most definite historical benchmark of language of the western side of the Pennines, there is a coastal region on the west of the Lancashire plain where besides the normally accepted Celtic tribe settlements of the Brigantes so occurred, there were also enclaves of the Celtic tribe of the Scouseii, to which I feel that is part of your residential area. In that area, happiness is described as being "made up", to cite just one of the examples of that patois that my researches have so far revealed. I too claim lexicological pedantry rights in such matters as your good self, but mine is solely confined to the area of the "Cheshire Golden Triangle".

 

[341o2]

Taint a Cob. A Cob's a building material, or a bad mood, or a norse.

Or a male swan, hazelnut, bread loaf, piece of coal or to be found at Lyme Regis or Porthmadog

 

[simonw]

On the first matter, I was very confused when I saw what was so described in Leeds, as it was a very different thing from the Preston version (but then I suppose Lancaster and York will never agree, or even agree to differ. Of the other questions, I haven't the foggiest.
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I would say that the Goldfish credit card advertised to death by Billy Connolly on TV about 35 years ago was definitely the precursor to the use of such terms.

Goldfish credit card was launched in th mid 90s, 20 odd years ago.

 

[furnessvale]

In this debate so far, there have been contributions from the "Northern Provinces" which in the case of those resident on the western side of the Pennines, involves the learned tome "Lanky spoke here" being used as a benchmark reference to the written word.

My original posting was based upon the written, not the phoenetic, used of the word that most comes within your writ of pedantry in which your undoubted expertise is unquestioned. However, if one looks at a most definite historical benchmark of language of the western side of the Pennines, there is a coastal region on the west of the Lancashire plain where besides the normally accepted Celtic tribe settlements of the Brigantes so occurred, there were also enclaves of the Celtic tribe of the Scouseii, to which I feel that is part of your residential area. In that area, happiness is described as being "made up", to cite just one of the examples of that patois that my researches have so far revealed. I too claim lexicological pedantry rights in such matters as your good self, but mine is solely confined to the area of the "Cheshire Golden Triangle".

Do you really talk like that in real life?

I live very near the Plain English Campaign headquarters. PM me your address and I'll see if they will send you a leaflet. It could help us all such a lot.

 

[backontrack]

I too claim lexicological pedantry rights in such matters as your good self, but mine is solely confined to the area of the "Cheshire Golden Triangle".

And obviously Todmorden. And Wythenshawe.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Do you really talk like that in real life?

I live very near the Plain English Campaign headquarters. PM me your address and I'll see if they will send you a leaflet. It could help us all such a lot.

The English Language is such a wonderful thing and all its many nuanced attributes are worthy of expression. Geoffrey Chaucer and William Shakespeare (The Bard) themselves both knew that fact to be true.

Is it the Plain English Campaign that has premises in New Mills? I remember walking up Union Road many years ago up to the small bus station at the left at the top of the road and remember campaign offices being on the left hand side.
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And obviously Todmorden. And Wythenshawe.

Is one not allowed to wander away from their home areas these days....:roll:

 

[backontrack]

Is one not allowed to wander away from their home areas these days....:roll:

Yes, but it does make your claim of 'solely confined' a bit of a stretch. Todmorden's in Yorkshire!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Yes, but it does make your claim of 'solely confined' a bit of a stretch. Todmorden's in Yorkshire!

Education is a great thing and travel is said to widen the mind and I subscribe to those sentiments wholeheartedly, otherwise I would not be aware of the patois of other areas...

You chose a good area in Todmorden as that has a very interesting history. The England and Lancashire fast bowler Peter Lever hailed from that area and there is a RC parish in the town whose church is dedicated to St Joseph that comes under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Salford.

 

[edwin_m]

Until sometime in the 19th century half of Todmorden was in Lancashire. Who said boundary changes didn't happen before 1974?

 

[adrock1976]

Yes, but it does make your claim of 'solely confined' a bit of a stretch. Todmorden's in Yorkshire!

Until sometime in the 19th century half of Todmorden was in Lancashire. Who said boundary changes didn't happen before 1974?

I was going to say it depends which side of the Calder that you would be standing, as Todmorden spans both the Lancashire side and the Yorkshire side.

You could say that Todmorden has the best of both, as it is allocated the OL postcode (Lancashire), and a Halifax landline telephone dialling code (Yorkshire).

 

[backontrack]

Until sometime in the 19th century half of Todmorden was in Lancashire. Who said boundary changes didn't happen before 1974?

It is Yorkshire, end of

 

[furnessvale]

Is it the Plain English Campaign that has premises in New Mills? I remember walking up Union Road many years ago up to the small bus station at the left at the top of the road and remember campaign offices being on the left hand side.

That is the one. Used to have premises in Whaley Bridge but moved to a larger building in New Mills some years ago.

 

[backontrack]

Education is a great thing and travel is said to widen the mind and I subscribe to those sentiments wholeheartedly, otherwise I would not be aware of the patois of other areas...

True.

You chose a good area in Todmorden as that has a very interesting history. The England and Lancashire fast bowler Peter Lever hailed from that area and there is a RC parish in the town whose church is dedicated to St Joseph that comes under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Salford.

And it's also interesting linguistically...



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[deltic1989]

Barm Cake? Isn't that a Cob?

No its a bread cake. Surprising how the proud Notts Lass Mrs D gets so wound up when the kids refer to them as bread cakes "It's a COB.......COB don't listen to your father."

Taint a Cob. A Cob's a building material, or a bad mood, or a norse.

Do you mean like having a monk on?

Or being a bit mardy.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

In these winter months, has anyone felt nesh recently.

 

[backontrack]

In these winter months, has anyone felt nesh recently.

Isn't that Sean Connery's favourite loch?

 

[furnessvale]

In these winter months, has anyone felt nesh recently.

Only the mard a*ses who couldn't take proper northern weather!

 

[341o2]

Isn't that Sean Connery's favourite loch?

Reminds me of the one where has was informed when the next sequence of filming was to take place - and to be there for 10ish

Seam is alleged to have replied "But I don't have a raquet"

 

[theblackwatch]

That opens up a whole new debate as to the definition of 'pants'.

Indeed. Pants are what you wear under your trousers/trolleys.