turntablist
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I know its probably not going to happen, but in the tradition of "what if" threads on here with regard to rolling stock, I wonder would any open access operator ever find use for the 91's and MK4 sets once they become available
No, because the Bradford and Sunderland branches are not electrified.I know its probably not going to happen, but in the tradition of "what if" threads on here with regard to rolling stock, I wonder would any open access operator ever find use for the 91's and MK4 sets once they become available
First of all this would never happen. But the only potential Grand central ECML use for the 225's I can think of is an all day Skipton service. Similar to how Hull trains provides an all day service and VTEC just the one to Hull.
Take a look at this thread and see if your questions are answered: British Rail Class 91 and Mark IV coaches where are they going to go?will 91's see at least preservation?
In BR days I would have expected a cascade to the GEML.
Indeed. This was all discussed in the linked thread.Why? The Class 91s are less suitable than the Class 90s.
Why? The Class 91s are less suitable than the Class 90s.
Since when was suitability ever considered by BR...
The current GC plan seems to be to take on most of/all the 180s to retire their HST fleet
GWR have/had five 180s, of which 180108 has now gone to Heaton for GC.They're taking on the four recently withdrawn from GWR to replace their HSTs. The Hull Trains four still don't have confirmed homes once their replacement 802s are introduced, AFAIK.
GWR have/had five 180s, of which 180108 has now gone to Heaton for GC.
I know its probably not going to happen, but in the tradition of "what if" threads on here with regard to rolling stock, I wonder would any open access operator ever find use for the 91's and MK4 sets once they become available
The locomotive also features an underslung transformer so that the body is relatively empty compared to contemporary electric locomotives
Space for a diesel genset?
Backup diesel power could be handy if there was a desire to create short formation class 91/mk4 sets for long and thin routes as an electric answer to the "pocket rocket" short HST's on Scotrail and GWR. That said, I guess that if we were looking at a bi-mode then the obvious place for the genny would be the DVT - either that or substitute DVT for a class 43 as I gather happened when the east coast sets came into service. Depending on the engineering one might be prepared to undertake the 43 could be stripped of its own traction motors and thru-wired to 91.
Actually, having written the above, and being aware of the mk 4 being considered heavier and less track friendly than the HST, the better option might be to split an HST and keep the mk3's, but with a 91 on the other end of both halves the former HST. The 43's can, as above, be turned to powerhouses by removing traction motors to save weight, friction and maintenance. As always I'm not saying this will or should happen, just speculating on what is technically possible.
Quite right ..... none of this will ever happen. Just buy an 80X.
no.no.no. Hire in a deltic and a couple of coaches
no.no.no. Hire in a deltic and a couple of coaches
...And when we run out of Deltics, dig further back into the east coast archive and start fetching out Gresley A4's