Full closure is Sundays only.
Yes, I know - the Quarry line is open today but you would expect a possession on the slow lines if there is no service between Redhill and Gatwick and there doesn't appear to be one in place.
Full closure is Sundays only.
Yes, I know - the Quarry line is open today but you would expect a possession on the slow lines if there is no service between Redhill and Gatwick and there doesn't appear to be one in place.
Has this work been cancelled today? There doesn't appear to be a possession in place on the lines south of Redhill (as would be marked by T3 markers on the live map feeds).
Obviously the amended train service (no trains Redhill to Gatwick) is running as that is what has been set up and rosters / stock plans are in place.
Yes, I know - the Quarry line is open today but you would expect a possession on the slow lines if there is no service between Redhill and Gatwick and there doesn't appear to be one in place.
Thanks, that's interesting - in my time of armchair watching it is uncommon not to see a possession marked but clearly there are other ways of ensuring a possession is observed. There are loads of -EO- markers today north of Windmill Bridge Junction towards Norwood Junction.
Do you know the area? These roads are not normally an option from East Croydon to Purley; they have a habit of being unpredictable and can end up rammed solid from about 0600 to 2300, 7 days a week. It does depend on any events in the area, for example - but broadly speaking it is not a reliable way to run a service. Last time I had the pleasure of a replacement bus from East Croydon to Redhill on a Sunday, it took the best part of an hour and a quarter, and the quick bit was the A23 south of Hooley, where the M23 diverges. In fact, except in very poor weather or major roadworks (or the school run in Merstham, but not relevant on Sundays), the A23 heading south from Hooley to Redhill tends to be a brisk and uncomplicated run.
Going to Purley cuts off a chunk of that, which would be ideal, but seeing as the route is open to Redhill, running from there will barely be any worse, despite the road layout. The A23 through Redhill might have a chaotic layout, but it's usually quiet enough on a Sunday to accommodate some replacement buses. The town is most definitely not (yet) a leisure destination in the same way that you might consider anywhere in London to be - and the destination bits are usually the gastropubs and restaurants on the rural outskirts.
It’s not a rule book requirement, so it’s left up to the individual signaller what they write in the train describer berths when work is taking place as they only indended and required to used to describe train IDs.
Train Describer is not a safety critical system and must not be relied on for vital safety purposes.
Eeerrr that’s why said it not a rule book requirement to use it for anything other than train IDs
Arguably doing so should be banned as it could all go blank leaving a trap for unwary signallers and others, I hope the proper measures are always applied.
I’ve worked with train describers going blank, and they have never caused any signallers to make errors regarding possessions, but the odd train has taken a wrong but vialid route (but that’s another story), but on the other hand not, using lever collars, button and IPS reminders plus their computer based equivalent has.
Quite, but I can just see the RAIB report detailing the chain of events back from the incident to the disappearance of possession information on the Train Describer. While the signaller may not be directly at fault they may be criticised for putting them in and which others had wrongly come to rely on.
I'm not local but have been though the Croydon area on Sundays and didn't see a problem. It's the A23 from Redhill south to Gatwick that's not fast. I still think that Redhill station can't cope with the volume of passengers and number of buses needed so getting Gatwick passengers out of the mix would help and be a lot quicker than the delays experienced last Sunday.
Im very confused... this week RTT and NR says trains are running Victoria - Clapham Jct - Horsham - Three Bridges - Gatwick Airport via Sutton even though Sutton - Dorking apparently has an engineering block.
They're only from 9 to 6 half hourly so maybe they stopped the engineering during the middle of the day to stop the fiasco of last week!
As mentioned upthread, the Sutton resignalling block was postponed late on Tuesday to try and provide an alternative after last weeks fiasco.
I don't know specifics, but a lot of people in the office worked very hard to try and put something together with whatever crew/stock could be easily accessed and not be got back into place to not affect Monday.
There was no way there was time to get a service back in to Dorking
They really should've put more than 1tph given that there weren't any Epsom or Dorking slows to deal with! They would've had a clear run between Sutton and Horsham.
They really should've put more than 1tph given that there weren't any Epsom or Dorking slows to deal with! They would've had a clear run between Sutton and Horsham.
Buses from a number of different operators today - mainly Go Ahead London as always but included SEe standee buses off the central London Red Arrow services in addition to the normal double deckers. Also Metrobus, Southdown psv, Go-Coach, Chalkwell, Reading Buses among others.
Worth emphasising that there are planned to be half-hourly buses tomorrow in both directions between East Grinstead and Gatwick Airport, connecting with the normal service trains to/from London Victoria.
(East Croydon, Purley and/or Coulsdon Town will not be used by Gatwick Airport buses, on this occasion.)
When asked, staff at Gatwick admitted that no-one had thought how the East Grinstead route would be used by passengers travelling using PAYG, since East Grinstead is not within the Oystercard area. In effect it was only an option for ticketed passengers. PAYG passengers needed to travel via Redhill in order to tap in/out.
Touch in at Gatwick and out at Victoria - I don't really see what the problem is. People should not have been looking to touch in / out at Redhill or East Grinstead. I don't see why the operators turn down revenue in this way.
Quite why no one has developed a stand alone reader for rail replacement in Oyster's development that is set up at the bus stop used for rail replacement is beyond me.
TfL rail replacement buses always imply that you should touch in before starting your replacement bus journey on the line diagrams in the window.
Touch in at Gatwick and out at Victoria - I don't really see what the problem is. People should not have been looking to touch in / out at Redhill or East Grinstead. I don't see why the operators turn down revenue in this way.
Quite why no one has developed a stand alone reader for rail replacement in Oyster's development that is set up at the bus stop used for rail replacement is beyond me.
TfL rail replacement buses always imply that you should touch in before starting your replacement bus journey on the line diagrams in the window.
The difference here is that passengers also want them stripped of those franchise or I should say more passengers than with other TOCs.RMT want all TOCs & FOCs stripped of their franchises.
The difference here is that passengers also want them stripped of those franchise or I should say more passengers than with other TOCs.
What 0aaawmgwes should understand and do understand are jo5 always the same thing.Passengers should understand that any problems with track and signalling are Network Rails responsibility and changing the Toc would achieve nothing. RMT have stated that they want to destroy privatisation by any means and have caused significant disruption to Southern in particular now moving on to other Tocs. They're demands are impossible as they're not interested in a settlement unless the company capitulates totally, they're certainly not concerned about the health and safety of passengers.
Any chance of translating this into English and explaining some of the abbreviations as per forum rules, jo5?, m6?, xdm?What 0aaawmgwes should understand and do understand are jo5 always the same thing.
A lack of drivers isn't the fault of Network Rail though, so my point stands in m6 opinion. Other TOCs don't havw quite the same problem. I dont have stats but they would back this up.
Anyway I don't want this to descend into a discussion on this, as there are other threads for it. However I couldn't let the comment from XDM pass.
Think its major typo problems. Try this.Any chance of translating this into English and explaining some of the abbreviations as per forum rules, jo5?, m6?, xdm?
What passengers should understand and do understand are not always the same thing.
A lack of drivers isn't the fault of Network Rail though, so my point stands in my opinion. Other TOCs don't have quite the same problem. I dont have stats but they would back this up.