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That someone who throws a bottle at a team bus could be both a Liverpool fan and a thug at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive. I should have thought that was obvious.
No, this was the game where your pitch resembled a ploughed field (not sure why - was rugby played there?). Your goalkeeper made a ridiculous air shot on a backpass after the ball jumped up off a divot, allowing a Carlisle player to follow in and tap the ball home.
Indeed, that is quite some achievement. Likewise, AFC Wimbledon's progress up the league is similarly impressive (mostly though it's new fans who support them as a second team you know, but hey
).I'm not one of the people who try and dump on AFC; the rivalry is a bit pointless and neither MK or AFC are actually "Continuity Wimbledon".
Nobody - not even Pete Winkelman - will tell you with a straight face that the way MK Dons came about was just. That situation won't happen again.
The online sniping is always amusing though. Nearly all legacy clubs in the Football League including "old" Wimbledon - first got there by being elected and convincing an independent panel (sound familiar?), rather than earning it.
I would not wish the experience of Wimbledon fans in the early 2000s on any other club. But, it's done now. AFC have finished in a higher league than MK, and really the nastiness ought to stop. Well, maybe not outright - football needs good stories after all!
DarloRich
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that could be any game in the last 30 years
Assuming it was at the Arena rather than Feethams. Although the kings of the reelection were Hartlepooh United. Regular bottom feeders obviously skilled at the arts of working a room and buying off fellow directors. Most of been a hell of a spread on at Victoria Park. Bar stewards.
Agreed - However many of us believe very strongly it should not have been allowed to happen. Nothing will change that view. it was wrong then and it remains wrong now. it makes a mockery of every other club in the league structure.
that could be any game in the last 30 years
Actually I've just found the game on YouTube:
In answer to your first question; no I do not. My point was that if the club in question has a large section of troublesome support that cannot be policed then UEFA should be banning these clubs.
DarloRich
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That was a bad pitch! I had forgotten just how bad the Arena pitch often was. I think it hadn't survived the winter well irc correctly because we were pushing for the play offs and played a couple of games on a basically waterlogged pitch rather than cancel them. That and expenses were already being cut back so money wasn't spent on pitch care.
I don't think Rugby was played on it at that time.
I don't think Rugby was played on it at that time.
adrock1976
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that could be any game in the last 30 years
Although the kings of the reelection were Hartlepooh United. Regular bottom feeders obviously skilled at the arts of working a room and buying off fellow directors. Most of been a hell of a spread on at Victoria Park. Bar stewards.
Agreed - However many of us believe very strongly it should not have been allowed to happen. Nothing will change that view. it was wrong then and it remains wrong now. it makes a mockery of every other club in the league structure.
Back in 1995, the Edinburgh club Meadowbank Thistle (who started out as Ferranti Thistle in 1948 as it was a works team in the Meadowbank area) were relocated to the New Town of Livingston, and changed their name to Livingston as a result. You could say that there was a precedent with the original incarnation of Wimbledon relocating to Milton Keynes, despite how controversial it was.
Furthermore, another New Town in Scotland (What's it called? Cumbernauld) had Clyde FC relocate from Shawfield Stadium in Rutherglen, who play their home matches at Broadwood Stadium, in the middle of nowhere. According to the local rag the Evening Times, there have been sporadic proposals for Clyde FC to return to their spiritual home of Rutherglen.
adrock1976
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A pity both sides were drawn in the semi-final, as Bayern Munich and Real Madrid entered the tournament the proper way i.e. they won their top flight division at the end of the previous season.
As Liverpool and Roma both won their top flight divisions back in 1990 and 2001, they should not really be participating in the tournament at all. My hometown team Aston Villa who won the European Cup in 1982 against Bayern Munich did it the proper way by winning the top flight division at the end of the previous season.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Rutherglen Glencairn FC were founded in 1896 and play in the SJFA West First Division. I think their stadium holds 1,500.
Hardly their fault though, is it? Blame UEFA.
We know, you have told us many times. I assume you will be dining out on it for a long time to come yet.
61653 HTAFC
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Moving down the leagues, it isn't that unusual for teams to relocate: Emley AFC rose up from the Huddersfield district leagues to within one game of what is now the National League Premier division (a game they lost to Stalybridge Celtic. This play-off game was played at Belle Vue in Wakefield (The home of Wakefield Trinity Wildcats RLFC) due to Emley's own Welfare Ground being too small for the anticipated crowd. Within a couple of years, the club had relocated permanently to Belle Vue and renamed themselves Wakefield FC.
Wakefield however is not a football city, and the club folded a few years later. A phoenix club, AFC Emley, was formed in the village and is thriving at a more realistic level for a team from a village of under 5,000 people.
Wakefield however is not a football city, and the club folded a few years later. A phoenix club, AFC Emley, was formed in the village and is thriving at a more realistic level for a team from a village of under 5,000 people.
Plus what Roma did to Barca in the last round, can lightening strike twice?
EbbwJunction1
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This is where you and I will have to disagree.
I cannot accept that any genuine supporter of a club (whatever sport or standard) can think that by throwing a bottle at the opposition team bus they are supporting their team. I don't care who they are, anyone guilty of this, or racist chants or violence or well, anything, they should be banned for a long time, and depending on the incident, even for life.
Someone could have been seriously injured by that action .... is that really a measure of support?? I don't think so at all!
This is from the same logical school of fallacy as people who say ISIS aren’t Muslims, that the IRA weren’t Irish and Chairman Mao wasn’t a communist.
Did you watch the Roma - Barcelona game though? Barcelona really did not turn up. They sat back, didn't compete for the second balls and didn't seem at all interested. It was really strange.
That said, i'm going for 2-2 tonight.
EbbwJunction1
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Sorry, you'll have to explain that to me, please.
You’re suggesting that if someone does something detrimental to a cause no matter what their genuine intention then by default they cannot identify with it.
This is a fallacy.
It would also be like saying that the police officers on duty at the Hillsborough disaster “weren’t real policemen”. They were.
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I'm actually saying nothing of the sort.
I accept that by doing what they do they might think that they're supporting their team, but my view is that they're not and, in fact damaging their team. I really don't understand your comment about Hillsborough - what's that got to do with the subject in hand??
I think that we'd better accept that we won't agree with each other on this, so let's leave it there, shall we?
No I only saw highlights, maybe Barca were just a bit complacent.
I would expect Liverpool to go through, either a draw or a narrow defeat.
Glenmutchkin
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Nearly every team in those days had players who could 'put it about a bit'. Liverpool had Tommy Smith, Man City had roly poly hooligan Frannie Lee, Chelsea had Ron 'Chopper' Harris, Arsenal had somebody whose name escapes me.
Leeds were high profile in those days because they came close to winning a lot. If you want to see what a proper game was like search for the 1970 FA Cup Final or the Replay. Nobody batted an eyelid at the time.
Eh? Liverpool and Roma qualified for this season's Champions League by finishing where they did in their respective leagues last season, so yes, they should be participating in the tournament.
Butts
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Liverpool never do anything the easy way. Plenty more goals to come. We would have to be about ten goals up before I felt comfortable.
We've scored twice so far, hopefully we'll get another goal or two.
Throwing it away again... haha oh God.
Liverpool never make things easy.
A 4-2 loss still sees Liverpool go through to the final in Kiev next month.