Northern timetable plan for May 2018

[northwichcat]

I'm not sure I understand this. On a Sunday there is an additional 23:35 Todmorden to Manchester Victoria, this calls at all stops apart from Walsden. I don't understand the reasoning for missing out Walsden but then proceeding to call at all other stops to Manchester, including Moston which has significantly less passengers.
Sam

Possibly lack of West Yorkshire PTE funding for the stop (which I presume would be in excess of the service requirement)?

Just looked at the times for that line and there's a 22:17 Leeds to Victoria which calls at Walsden at 23:21 but runs non-stop from Rochdale to Victoria - so there's your answer Walsden gets the ex-Leeds train stopping there, Moston gets the very slightly later ex-Blackburn train stopping there. Walsden gets 100,000 journeys per annum so honestly it's lucky it gets a service at 23:21 on a Sunday, many busier stations are closed by that time on Sundays.

 

[Confused147]

Why does the 12:58 Stoke on Trent to Manchester skip out Stockport on Monday to Friday and then skips out both Cheadle Hulme and Stockport on Saturdays? From Bramhall the next stop is Heaton Chapel only? And seems there is another Stockport skipper on the 15:58SO.

Also on the Crewe route the 07:24SX from Alderley Edge skips out Stockport.

And theres also a 23:44 Levenshulme to Alderley Edge on Saturdays??


Very bizarre

 

[lejog]

I'm not sure I understand this. On a Sunday there is an additional 23:35 Todmorden to Manchester Victoria, this calls at all stops apart from Walsden. I don't understand the reasoning for missing out Walsden but then proceeding to call at all other stops to Manchester, including Moston which has significantly less passengers.
Sam

Walsden on Sundays is to be served by the hourly Leeds to Victoria service, the last service leaving Todmorden at 23.18. The 23.35 from Tod is in fact the 23.00 from Blackburn and none of these services stop at Walsden on a Sunday.

 

[BurtonM]

Northern moving to mandatory cycle reservations would be stupid and alienatory.

By all means have first come first serve, guards' discretion and/or a peak time ban. I'm fine with that, I wouldn't want to travel then regardless of necessity. But mandatory reservations are just an inconvenience, and in many cases, completely pointless.

I have no interest in spending my money on multiple bikes or using a Cycle Hub nowhere near my house. My bike stays with me, it's safe, secure, and lowers maintenance costs.

I'm inclined to voice my concerns to the next GM Cycle Forum.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Northern moving to mandatory cycle reservations would be stupid and alienatory.

I don't agree. It's more likely to put me off travelling with my bike that I can get stuck somewhere.

I'm in support of a national mandatory cycle reservation policy - but it needs to be made easy to reserve and change a reservation, i.e. on all sales sites, on a mobile app, online without buying a ticket, at all TVMs and ticket offices etc first - and right up to departure too.

 

[Harpers Tate]

The trouble with any reservation policy is that it has to come with a fee - not for revenue reasons per se but significant enough to prevent misuse. And that in itself is dissuading. Otherwise, you'd have fully booked trains with no cycles actually on them.

Now if the anti-cycle "lobby" (in whatever form) are happy that the railway industry should be encouraging people to drive - there is no hope!

 

[Deerfold]

There's an early morning peak that no longer calls at Sowerby Bridge, but does call at Mytholmroyd (though this depends which Northern timetable you look at) and has added various tiny Manchester stations.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y24556/2018/05/22/advanced

There's a couple of Airedale Line trains swapped round, so there's 4 consecutive trains to Leeds, then 2 to Bradford.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...Y/2018/06/05/0800?stp=WVS&show=call&order=wtt

 

[30907]

There's an early morning peak that no longer calls at Sowerby Bridge, but does call at Mytholmroyd (though this depends which Northern timetable you look at) and has added various tiny Manchester stations.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y24556/2018/05/22/advanced

There's a couple of Airedale Line trains swapped round, so there's 4 consecutive trains to Leeds, then 2 to Bradford.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...Y/2018/06/05/0800?stp=WVS&show=call&order=wtt

A request to get the Lancaster into Leeds earlier? And allow a Leeds to follow it, also into Leeds before 0900 (I'd bet those two get swapped over before long....).
Doubt it's to meet better the needs of school traffic to Frizinghall

 

[Starmill]

I am not at all happy with these changes. The last train from Manchester to Mauldeth Road or Burnage is 25 minutes earlier. This breaks connections off the 2140 from London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly and the 2138 Hull to Manchester Piccadilly and will ruin some of my plans.

The current last train still runs, passing these stations non-stop. Several later trains also run including one that calls at East Didsbury and Heald Green, but for some reason it does not stop at Mauldeth Road. On Sunday night / Monday morning a much later train than usual runs, arriving well after midnight. So the key message here is that they can run later trains, and that they are going to spend extra money running extra late trains, and they will stop at two of the stations en route, in accordence with the daytime pattern, but they have forgotten to ensure that the last train as it currently exists is preserved in the new pattern. It also appears not to comply with the tsr. This is just crazy.

 

[Deerfold]

A request to get the Lancaster into Leeds earlier? And allow a Leeds to follow it, also into Leeds before 0900 (I'd bet those two get swapped over before long....).

Not so good for those heading for Central Bradford (I realise the train gets in before 0900, but only just).

I expect that 0824 to Leeds is going to get very busy - and a fair few may try and get the 0817 as it's so close before it.

Doubt it's to meet better the needs of school traffic to Frizinghall

No, I suspect that 0830 is rather worse than the one it's replaced.

 

[Starmill]

And there's also a Manchester to Chester Mon-Fri skipping out Navigation Road but none of the other stations, despite no conflict on the single track section. Plus a Sat Stoke-Piccadilly service that skips Stockport but has time to call at Heaton Chapel and Levenshulme.

I really can't help but wonder how much of this is simply to do with rushing the timetable. The previous version of the May timetable did not have these kind of inconsistencies. It also did not make my final train of the day earlier, it preserved it at the same time as now or later. This shows that someone at Northern was thinking about all of this stuff, and that they do value all of this stuff, I think (and hope). However, as a result of the time pressure I can't help but wonder if myriad minor details have had to be overlooked. And what we can do to try to get them to the attention of the people in planning so they can try to reverse some of the negative changes in December.

 

[Starmill]

And theres also a 23:44 Levenshulme to Alderley Edge on Saturdays??

What's wrong with that? That train is in the current timetable.

 

[skifans]

Northern moving to mandatory cycle reservations would be stupid and alienatory.

By all means have first come first serve, guards' discretion and/or a peak time ban. I'm fine with that, I wouldn't want to travel then regardless of necessity. But mandatory reservations are just an inconvenience, and in many cases, completely pointless.

I have no interest in spending my money on multiple bikes or using a Cycle Hub nowhere near my house. My bike stays with me, it's safe, secure, and lowers maintenance costs.

I'm inclined to voice my concerns to the next GM Cycle Forum.

You definitely should bring it up.

 

[Deerfold]

I really can't help but wonder how much of this is simply to do with rushing the timetable. The previous version of the May timetable did not have these kind of inconsistencies. It also did not make my final train of the day earlier, it preserved it at the same time as now or later. This shows that someone at Northern was thinking about all of this stuff, and that they do value all of this stuff, I think (and hope). However, as a result of the time pressure I can't help but wonder if myriad minor details have had to be overlooked. And what we can do to try to get them to the attention of the people in planning so they can try to reverse some of the negative changes in December.

The previous version had the new last Leeds to Hebden Bridge train missing out Sowerby Bridge and Mytholmroyd to no obvious advantage.

 

[Starmill]

The previous version had the new last Leeds to Hebden Bridge train missing out Sowerby Bridge and Mytholmroyd to no obvious advantage.

Is that a service which isn't in this timetable at all?

 

[Bovverboy]

And theres also a 23:44 Levenshulme to Alderley Edge on Saturdays??

It's 2338 from Piccadilly, replacing the current 2337.

 

[CHAPS2034]

It's 2338 from Piccadilly, replacing the current 2337.

If you look at RTT that is correct. And it's also shown as starting from Piccadilly in NRE. However it is not showing as starting at Piccadilly in the pdf. One would hope that Northern will publicise this error but I'm not holding my breath!

CW

 

[SugrFr33]

Looking through the Blackpool north - Leeds timetable, they appear to have forgotten they are supposed to be stopping at mytholmroyd - it appears in the journey planner but is not in the timetable

 

[TUC]

I see Goole-Snaith-Leeds, as well as being down to one train each way a day, now has timings ill-suited to commuters, with an 0850 arrival into Leeds and a return leaving Leeds at 1758. In what way is that mesnt to work for the commuter market that makes up the vast majority of the service's passengers?

 

[Geeves]

If anyone wants to make a detailed list of timetable errors and inconsistancies I will happily pass it on via the Northern Employee group or to the person who does the printing and timetable posters.

There is no question going on the quality of the past works for engineering works and what not, that it will be littered with errors. The stuff we get sent internally usually gets ripped to pieces as its always wrong.

 

[lejog]

Is that a service which isn't in this timetable at all?

Not currently, shortly after I announced in this thread that a 23.xx Leeds to Hebden Bridge appeared in what I thought was the final timetable , it disappeared. Deerfield will still be pleased that the new last train from Leeds, the 22.39 to Victoria also skips Sowerby Bridge and Mytholmroyd.

 

[Starmill]

I see Goole-Snaith-Leeds, as well as being down to one train each way a day, now has timings ill-suited to commuters, with an 0850 arrival into Leeds and a return leaving Leeds at 1758. In what way is that mesnt to work for the commuter market that makes up the vast majority of the service's passengers?

Surely 1758 is much better than 1716? If you finish work at 5 and can't get to the station in 14 minutes or less then you are stuffed at present...

Not currently, shortly after I announced in this thread that a 23.xx Leeds to Hebden Bridge appeared in what I thought was the final timetable , it disappeared. Deerfield will still be pleased that the new last train from Leeds, the 22.39 to Victoria also skips Sowerby Bridge and Mytholmroyd.

None of this makes any sense to me tbh.

 

[Confused147]

What's wrong with that? That train is in the current timetable.

Starts from Levenshulme

 

[Kite159]

One thing I noticed when looking at RTT for ideas yesterday is that it appears the service levels at British Steel Redcar (which sadly doesn't really serve a purpose these days) has changed...

... No it hasn't been cut back to one train a week but increased to 4 trains a day (2 in each direction), even on a Saturday!

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/RBS/2018/05/21/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

Is there any commuters from the Knottingley - Goole section of the line? If I was a commuter in that area I would drive to Knottingley or a station which sees more than a couple trains a day

 

[superkev]

Looking through the Blackpool north - Leeds timetable, they appear to have forgotten they are supposed to be stopping at mytholmroyd - it appears in the journey planner but is not in the timetable

Perhaps it's been mentioned before but according to rtt all Leeds Blackpool trains now only go to preston before continuing to barrow. Is this permanent?
K

 

[Kieran1990]

Perhaps it's been mentioned before but according to rtt all Leeds Blackpool trains now only go to preston before continuing to barrow. Is this permanent?
K

It’s just a temp arrangement I believe and allows class 158’s to be positioned at Barrow to operate services from Barrow to Manchester services. As I’m guessing Class 158 maintenance will continue to be carried out at Neville Hill.

 

[Deerfold]

Not currently, shortly after I announced in this thread that a 23.xx Leeds to Hebden Bridge appeared in what I thought was the final timetable , it disappeared. Deerfield will still be pleased that the new last train from Leeds, the 22.39 to Victoria also skips Sowerby Bridge and Mytholmroyd.

I hadn't spotted that. So the last train from Leeds is 6 minutes earlier (2221) than now, but goes a different way. The 2218 to Manchester Victoria also skips them, so the last train from Bradford and Halifax is now 40 minutes earlier.

 

[swt_passenger]

One thing I noticed when looking at RTT for ideas yesterday is that it appears the service levels at British Steel Redcar (which sadly doesn't really serve a purpose these days) has changed.
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Is there any commuters from the Knottingley - Goole section of the line? If I was a commuter in that area I would drive to Knottingley or a station which sees more than a couple trains a day

I’m puzzled by this question. I’m assuming it isn’t supposed to be connected to the previous British Steel Redcar point?

 

[Kite159]

I’m puzzled by this question. I’m assuming it isn’t supposed to be connected to the previous British Steel Redcar point?

I was meant to put some dashes after the RTT link but my tablet doesn't like doing dashes. The question was related to any commuters from say Snaith who use that daily train rather than driving to say Knottingley as a safety net

 

[IanXC]

Perhaps it's been mentioned before but according to rtt all Leeds Blackpool trains now only go to preston before continuing to barrow. Is this permanent?
K

There is one through service per day, but I don't see anything to suggest the diagrams work in the way you describe?