The latest Transdev Blazefield + First York fleetlist http://wyis.byethost17.com/Blazefield.pdf from West Yorkshire Information Service notes that President 2707 (in all over black advertising an extinct mobile app) currently at Keighley is to go on loan to Rosso before being transferred to Blackburn.
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Presumably, these are short term loans.....
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The two Solos are on loan from Dawsonrentals. The Solos have been replaced by ex Vodafone Solo’s in the Reading fleet for the Thames Valley routes
The shortage of buses is clear.
https://flic.kr/p/25VMht1 (not my picture)
Clearly not up to the standards that Alex Hornby would expect, but I'm sure that everyone would rather have the piece of paper as the display rather than no service at all!
Sam
https://flic.kr/p/25VMht1 (not my picture)
Clearly not up to the standards that Alex Hornby would expect, but I'm sure that everyone would rather have the piece of paper as the display rather than no service at all!
Sam
Looks like it's been loaned to Rosso to help (is this from one of the depots that is shared with Rosso?) and it presumably doesn't have the correct destination programmed. Gone are the days of roller blinds where you could at least get the number right. But agreed, passengers would prefer a piece of paper than no bus. Although I am surprised they couldn't print a number from a computer rather than the hand drawn one.
Queensgate Burnley Depot. Similar paper numbers appeared on services operated out of the York depot when ex Stevensons routes were taken over until all the displays could be programmed.
Going off Twitter when that photo was taken that bus might not actually have run in service for Burnley and Pendle since the refurbishment. Someone's questioned why they're faffing about with the work rather than putting them straight into service given the shortage - loan then to Rosso if they aren't up to standard for Burnley.
The refurbishment was scheduled before the problems with Rosso were identified and there is a time issue for the refurbs to take place so they could hardly give Rosso bus to use mid refurbishment.
Because Transdev's tenure at Rosso has been an absolute disgrace. They won't need buses soon anyway because no one can trust that they'll ever turn up. And that's having already borrowed a number of buses. But that's probably fine as long as they can get some pretty pictures of a loss making speculative venture.
Good grief, yes Rosso may be suffering from some problems in terms of vehicle reliability but it's hardly like they haven't been attempting to address that is it?
There really is no need to be describing it as a disgrace, the vehicle standard's were not up to the usual standard's of Transdev which meant that many needed to go away for maintenance from what I have gathered, during that time they have borrowed buses from other operations such as Burnley Bus Company, in addition to the Solo's which are on loan from a dealer I believe.
Yes in the short term there may be a few cancellations while the maintenance is sorted out however would you prefer it to be still owned by a cash strapped council who's problems this was in the first place?
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I would prefer it to be owned by someone who actually runs buses. These reliability problems may have existed but weren't causing such disruption when the council ran the show.
Transdev are very keen on the flashy stuff - Cityzap, Coastliner, the 36 in Harrogate, but the bread and butter of any bus operator is the sort of stuff Rosso run. People want a service they can depend on, Rosso weren't the highest quality operator in the land, but they showed up at least. If the buses needed maintenance to reach Transdev standards, not road legal standards, why not wait until the new buses arrive to create slack in the fleet? People would have seen Rosso continue as normal until Transdev bring in new and improved buses later in the year. As it is the service has gone to the dogs, Transdev appear much worse than the council run operation, and will struggle to recapture any of the lost patronage.
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Cesarcollie
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We don't know the circumstances. However, if safety inspections revealed defects affecting road worthiness, then they would have no real option but to take them off the road until rectified. Once you know there's a problem, you can't ignore it.
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True to an extent - but doesn't avoid the fact Transdev have basically had a problem throughout the whole of the area where they simply don't have enough vehicles.
Over in York, breakdowns and unavailable vehicles regularly cause cancellations. The same is in Blackburn, for Rosso, Coastliner... They've taken on a lot of routes recently and they haven't bought in enough vehicles to cover them.
Particularly from being in York where it's all old reserve stock that's running the routes here.
Over in York, breakdowns and unavailable vehicles regularly cause cancellations. The same is in Blackburn, for Rosso, Coastliner... They've taken on a lot of routes recently and they haven't bought in enough vehicles to cover them.
Particularly from being in York where it's all old reserve stock that's running the routes here.
Moan, moan. OK, so the buses aren't fit for purpose and services are unreliable, but the important thing is the Twitter feeds are brilliant. Yes, my tongue is firmly in my cheek, and its about time these trendy, image obsessed "bright young things" had a REALITY CHECK.
On paper there is no shortage of buses, all the fleets have the required number plus the normal percentage of spares.
Regarding Rosso, imagine if there was an incident and it came to light that Rosso buses were being maintained to a lower standard than the rest of the Transdev fleet. Hence why they will be maintained to the same standard, especially now many are based at Burnley and Intack.
I also wonder if it’s just buses or a shortage of drivers at Rosso, as operational procedures will have changed and if you were close to retirement there is a chance you might choose to retire there and then. I’m not sure how the services run out of Burnley and Intack are being operated in terms of driver changeovers, rest breaks, where they are booking on and off and cashing in etc, as many don’t touch Burnley in service and none actually pass Intack.
The Twitter feeds aren't that brilliant - only sporadically updated and don't cover all disruption, not in good time at least.
They've been advertising for drivers and fitters for a while. They appear to pay less than jobs at Transdev's Yorkshire operations. Possibly as well some the staff couldn't afford to move to Burnley or Blackburn or just quit rather than move.
But their are some obvious reliability issues at present, the Versas if kept would allow for a reshuffle of vehicles with those with reliability issues (the Darts at York for example) either replaced in part or subjected to major overhaul/refurbishment.
Tetchytyke
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The council sold up before the years of neglect became a problem.
Transdev have been as clear as they can be about what is causing the problems.
The 479 in Bury is to be withdrawn at the end of August, though TfGM will tender a replacement so Rosso might keep it anyway. Tbh I'm surprised there was any commercial element to it to begin with.
The bigger story might be the withdrawal of evening journeys on the 484 next month. This will inevitably shift more passengers to First. Not sure what the point of this existing is if the service is already inferior to First and getting worse. Only reason I could see to use it is if you were going to the hospital, where First withdrew their service.
The bigger story might be the withdrawal of evening journeys on the 484 next month. This will inevitably shift more passengers to First. Not sure what the point of this existing is if the service is already inferior to First and getting worse. Only reason I could see to use it is if you were going to the hospital, where First withdrew their service.
Some big changes coming to the fleet according to the latest WYIS fleetlist http://wyis.byethost17.com/Blazefield.pdf
25 vehicles are listed to be withdrawn - Dart SLF 723, Scanias 1600-1616 and B7RLEs 1706-1713
and 11 Presidents, 2727-2737 are listed as to be transferred to Keighley together with the return to Keighley of the 3 Presidents currently on loan (2707,2717,2718)
16 Versa are stated as being on order.
Possibly the Cityzap B7RLEs will go to Rosso once the Leeds-Manchester service ceases and maybe some of the Harrogate Versas once the Electrics arrive.
25 vehicles are listed to be withdrawn - Dart SLF 723, Scanias 1600-1616 and B7RLEs 1706-1713
and 11 Presidents, 2727-2737 are listed as to be transferred to Keighley together with the return to Keighley of the 3 Presidents currently on loan (2707,2717,2718)
16 Versa are stated as being on order.
Possibly the Cityzap B7RLEs will go to Rosso once the Leeds-Manchester service ceases and maybe some of the Harrogate Versas once the Electrics arrive.
The WYIS fleet list does say that the Cityzap buses are heading to Rosso, maybe as unbranded high quality spares initially until they decide how to progress with the brand. It also says 3 Gemini’s from Coastliner are heading to Rosso soon.
Rosso operate a vast amount of TfGM school contracts, so how much of this they are retaining will decide how the buses in and out offset each other.
They are already withdrawing some of the school extensions to the 467/468 & 481/2/3 in the July changes presumably so some boards don’t need to be double decks.
Rosso operate a vast amount of TfGM school contracts, so how much of this they are retaining will decide how the buses in and out offset each other.
They are already withdrawing some of the school extensions to the 467/468 & 481/2/3 in the July changes presumably so some boards don’t need to be double decks.
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Perhaps the CityZap buses will go onto the 464 or the 466? Or perhaps they'll go onto the Red Express with some of that route's buses moving to other routes?
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