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Does anyone remember when class 47's operated on Scotrail when did it cease I thought it was when the 170's were introduced.
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Does anyone remember when class 47's operated on Scotrail when did it cease I thought it was when the 170's were introduced.
I can't remember the exact timeline, but classes 26 and 27 ran in the early 80s, then it went over to 37 and 47.IWhat haulage was used between Aberdeen and Inverness after the Class 120s were replaced by LHCS?
A fleet of class 27s was transferred to inverness in the early 80s to take over from the dmus till the mid 80s till they were replaced by class 47s.I've never quite been sure whether I actually remember LHCS on the routes out of Inverness, or whether I've just imagined it based on old pictures and the knowledge that it stopped in the early 1990s. Certainly I remember getting on the Highland Chieftain when it was still InterCity liveried, but that would have lasted a bit longer....
When did the Class 47s come in on the Central Belt to Aberdeen & Inverness routes? What haulage was used between Aberdeen and Inverness after the Class 120s were replaced by LHCS?
Class 47s were replaced mainly by the class 158 express units in the very early 90s on most of the routes they worked.Does anyone remember when class 47's operated on Scotrail when did it cease I thought it was when the 170's were introduced.
Yes they took over the sleepers again in 1995 when ews took over all locos and redeployed them instead of the class 37s which they worked till as you said the class 67s took over around 2001.47's lingered on the Aberdeen sleepier well into the 90s IIRC,quite often a RES liveried loco then 67s took over
The only time I ever saw a 56 in Scotland was hauling freight (probably coal, but I don't really remember) past Musselburgh. I hadn't realised that they had worked so far north.Over many years of observation I only ever saw a sleeper pool 47 work 6E43 Aberdeen Guild Street - Doncaster Belmont once, it was typically a pair of 37s or a 56. It (and its companion train 6S62 Doncaster - Aberdeen Guild Street) did sometimes run with a 47 dead inside when there was a failure on the sleeper.
I also wasn't aware that loco-hauled services lasted that long. I left home to become a student in 1992, and the equivalent coach journey was discounted enough for me to ignore train travel completely. It was only when the 10 became unbearably long, and my income had increased to the extent that the time factor was more important than the money that I switched back to rail. At that point the 170s had been introduced.In any case the answer to the original question has already been given above, the daytime loco hauled passenger trains on the Highland Main Line and Aberdeen Inverness line finished in 1993/1994.
They used to work the daytime freight between inverness and aberdeen and others over the highlsnd mainline.Over many years of observation I only ever saw a sleeper pool 47 work 6E43 Aberdeen Guild Street - Doncaster Belmont once, it was typically a pair of 37s or a 56. It (and its companion train 6S62 Doncaster - Aberdeen Guild Street) did sometimes run with a 47 dead inside when there was a failure on the sleeper.
In any case the answer to the original question has already been given above, the daytime loco hauled passenger trains on the Highland Main Line and Aberdeen Inverness line finished in 1993/1994.
Class 56s were Regularly seen at inverness daily for a few years in the late 90s and early 2000 till the class 66s took over.The only time I ever saw a 56 in Scotland was hauling freight (probably coal, but I don't really remember) past Musselburgh. I hadn't realised that they had worked so far north.
I also wasn't aware that loco-hauled services lasted that long. I left home to become a student in 1992, and the equivalent coach journey was discounted enough for me to ignore train travel completely. It was only when the 10 became unbearably long, and my income had increased to the extent that the time factor was more important than the money that I switched back to rail. At that point the 170s had been introduced.
Until the 47/7 came to the Push-Pull in 1980 there were no Class 47 allocated in Scotland. However, there were plenty around, operated from depots south of the border on extended diagrams. Glasgow-Aberdeen and Inverness were commonly Crewe locos, and Edinburgh-Aberdeen were ECML locos, many from Gateshead. Crewe locos even turned up on Glasgow-Kilmarnock-Carlisle and Glasgow-Stranraer services.
Inverness was allocated its first class 47 47516 in 1973 years before the op is claiming.D1968 - D1976 went new to Haymarket, from October 1965. Their duties were mainly on ECML, but also worked some Aberdeen services.
I've checked with my Dad and Class 26 and 27 hauled mk1s replaced the 120s on Aberdeen-Inverness trains in March 1980. They were replaced by mk2s and Class 47s by early 1984.I can't remember the exact timeline, but classes 26 and 27 ran in the early 80s, then it went over to 37 and 47.
Thats the dates i had in my head always wondered why the aberdeen line was dmu worked and the rest of the services out of inverness were loco hauled.I've checked with my Dad and Class 26 and 27 hauled mk1s replaced the 120s on Aberdeen-Inverness trains in March 1980. They were replaced by mk2s and Class 47s by early 1984.
He's got masses of photos taken all over Scotland in the 1980s, we must get the best ones scanned and online. I keep saying that, but we never do it!
I think they were all hauled by class 86s then replaced by 47/8s to there end destination i think birmingham new street was one of the main traction changeover points although i think on occasions class 47s did work throughout.Were any XCs services in Scotland operated by 47s ?
I think they were all hauled by class 86s then replaced by 47/8s i think birmingham new street was one of the main traction changeover points although i think on occasions class 47s did work throughout.
That more or less matches what I remember too, and I eagerly await the uploading of those photos!I've checked with my Dad and Class 26 and 27 hauled mk1s replaced the 120s on Aberdeen-Inverness trains in March 1980. They were replaced by mk2s and Class 47s by early 1984.
He's got masses of photos taken all over Scotland in the 1980s, we must get the best ones scanned and online. I keep saying that, but we never do it!
I don't want to drag the thread too far off-topic as it's specifically about loco-hauled, but there's some detail about the 120s here: https://railcar.co.uk/type/class-120/operations-scotlandalways wondered why the aberdeen line was dmu worked and the rest of the services out of inverness were loco hauled
Until the 47/7 came to the Push-Pull in 1980 there were no Class 47 allocated in Scotland. However, there were plenty around, operated from depots south of the border on extended diagrams. Glasgow-Aberdeen and Inverness were commonly Crewe locos, and Edinburgh-Aberdeen were ECML locos, many from Gateshead. Crewe locos even turned up on Glasgow-Kilmarnock-Carlisle and Glasgow-Stranraer services.
D1968 - D1976 went new to Haymarket, from October 1965. Their duties were mainly on ECML, but also worked some Aberdeen services.
In br days class 47s covered pretty much the whole country and with br’s common user policy locos could end up from one end of the country to the other.Anyone wanting to confirm allocation histories of any class 47 should visit http://www.class47.co.uk. A little search there reveals that Eastfield received its first allocation of the class in May 1974. I'm afraid the memory of the usually reliable Taunton has let them down on this occasion. It is however true that Scottish internal services were regularly worked by English based locos; in February 1986 I had 47465 of Bescot from Queen Street to Inverness. I also remember that in early Sectorisation days there were turns for Stratford based Freightliner 47s which had them working ECML services to/from Edinburgh and one turn included an early morning turn on the Fife circle. One needs to be very careful when making generalised statements about the class!
On reflection it was (not much but a bit) before this date that I am recalling, not from any Ian Allan book but from seeing the stickers on the loco side. I quite often took the 0830 Push-Pull from Queen Street to Edinburgh, and used to watch the 0810 to Aberdeen depart, which then was a Crewe or elsewhere loco, more than once still in two-tone green livery, a rarity by then. It used to depart from the easternmost platform in a spectacular, but typically Eastfield, manner, a crow on the loco horn, a response from down inside the trainshed, and then full throttle from the off to storm the 1 in 36 climb up through the tunnel. Just 6 or 7 coaches, and then the Class 27 that had brought in the stock, uncoupled but pushing, also at full throttle. They had actually got up quite a speed by this time and the Class 27 would notably rock on the crossover to the departure line which was just at the tunnel entrance. If it was a 20mph crossover they were doing significantly more.A little search there reveals that Eastfield received its first allocation of the class in May 1974. I'm afraid the memory of the usually reliable Taunton has let them down on this occasion.
In br days class 47s covered pretty much the whole country and with br’s common user policy locos could end up from one end of the country to the other.
Edinburgh XC terminators used 86s as well, I used to enjoy watching them run round in the Waverley. HSTs were used north of Edinburgh to Dundee and Aberdeen although I’ve been told a loco hauled set with a 47 did make it to Aberdeen once in Virgin XC days. I have never seen any photographic proof of that though which I’d certainly expect for something so unusual if it did really happen!Yeah all i can remember are 86s on Poole services from Glasgow . Not sure about Edinburgh .