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JohnMcL7

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The sleepers don’t run on a Saturday night into Sunday morning.

That's what I assumed but I tried booking a sleeper and could choose a Saturday but I see now if you go past the first screen you get a message saying you can't book that date. Thanks for the prompt reply.
 
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Does 87002 ever haul the Sleeper on part or all of the journey or is it purely used for shunting purposes?
 

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Does 87002 ever haul the Sleeper on part or all of the journey or is it purely used for shunting purposes?

It's done the last bit from Wembley into Euston in service a few times lately, it's been a while since it did a full run but it has done them.

And when the charter companies get their hands on her, she's a very good runner!
 

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It's done the last bit from Wembley into Euston in service a few times lately, it's been a while since it did a full run but it has done them.
i.e. whenever there's an ECML diversion from Euston and they do the reverse at Wembley, 87002 almost always does one of the draw-backs to Wembley in the evening, then the draw-back into Euston in the morning. Last few times it's been allocated to the Highlander.

So if you're wanting to get 87002 haulage, your best bet is finding an ECML diversion (into Euston) and booking on the Highlander for those 7 miles of 87002 (and 400-odd of 90/92). Far from guaranteed though.
 

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It's done the last bit from Wembley into Euston in service a few times lately, it's been a while since it did a full run but it has done them.

And when the charter companies get their hands on her, she's a very good runner!

Thanks for the info :)
 

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So if you're wanting to get 87002 haulage, your best bet is finding an ECML diversion (into Euston) and booking on the Highlander for those 7 miles of 87002 (and 400-odd of 90/92). Far from guaranteed though.

I'm not really chasing locos for haulage at the moment but the 87s were a particular favourite of mine from my childhood days of spotting so would be nice to get another chance to be hauled by one. Appreciate the information and will certainly bear it in mind
 

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Does anyone know if an Interrail ticket can be used on the sleeper? I have contacted them but am not confident of their information. They suggest a £100 per person supplement for a berth.

If I book as a family (2+1) do we get two cabins as the information seems to suggest?
 

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Does anyone know if an Interrail ticket can be used on the sleeper? I have contacted them but am not confident of their information. They suggest a £100 per person supplement for a berth.

If I book as a family (2+1) do we get two cabins as the information seems to suggest?


They can be used in the seats with a valid seat reservation as long as the pass is still in date or boxes dated depending on what kind they are. The berth supplement price is correct I believe and you would get 2 cabins although the adult on thier own would possibly have to share if the train was full.
 

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86 401 on 1C11. It should lie off for 1B26 depending on the day shift drivers traction knowledge.
 

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86 401 on 1C11. It should lie off for 1B26 depending on the day shift drivers traction knowledge.
I take it 92 028 didn't come with 86 401 on 5C11 to EDB? I think 028 was the draw-back loco for 5C11 from Polmadie into GLC for the reverse.
 

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I take it 92 028 didn't come with 86 401 on 5C11 to EDB? I think 028 was the draw-back loco for 5C11 from Polmadie into GLC for the reverse.


No, it was a 73 on the other end which was used to top and tail the dead lounge car from the mid road at Waverley.
 

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No, it was a 73 on the other end which was used to top and tail the dead lounge car from the mid road at Waverley.
Ah ok, thanks. Would’ve been 73971.
Might explain why the coach hadn’t been moved over the weekend... brake issue presumably.

EDIT: 73971 worked 1Y11 to FTW in the end multi with 73966 as part of positioning move ahead of Royal Scotsman working to Oban.
 
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The days of the 86's, 87 and 90's are numbered on the sleeper, full length journeys with the 86's and 87 will be rare from now until the new stock is introduced (if any are made at all). 90's still continue to make regular appearances though.
 

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Does anyone know if an Interrail ticket can be used on the sleeper? I have contacted them but am not confident of their information. They suggest a £100 per person supplement for a berth.

If I book as a family (2+1) do we get two cabins as the information seems to suggest?

It depends on the class of interail you have. If 1st class then the supplement is £100 per person for sole occupancy berths. If standard class then it is £100 per person for a berth in a twin berth cabin.

Either way you will be paying £300 but with std 2 will share a cabin and one of you could end up sharing with a stranger. If you have 1st class there is nothing stopping you buying 1 std and 1 first cabin but there is no discount for doing so.

Serco have taken the p*ss with the supplements, in the space of a few years the cost has doubled from £50 to £100, they are such bad value now that if you are booking more than a week or two in advance it is often cheaper to buy the all inclusive tickets than a supplement.

For example lots of trains in Sep still have shared cabins for £160 for 2 people or 80 per person with solo cabins being £155.

If you have std class interrail than book ahead and get 1 1st and 1 std cabin (for 2), at those rates it will be slightly more than the supplements but no potential sharing with a stranger and no need to date a box of your interail if you don't wish to.

Those are sample rates for the current stock up to 26 October 2018, From 28 October different rates apply and sharing twin cabins is only for those on the same booking. The inclusive rates are different (higher) for both Lowland (new trains) and Highland (transition period with old stock for a few months) and crucially there is no longer a class distinction.

Unfortunately the website and phone booking currently do not have any supplement fares loaded from 28 Oct onwards so what if any rates will be offered is unknown.
 

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The days of the 86's, 87 and 90's are numbered on the sleeper, full length journeys with the 86's and 87 will be rare from now until the new stock is introduced (if any are made at all). 90's still continue to make regular appearances though.
Will be interesting when getting close to the introduction of Mk5s as at some point a couple of weeks out (or more) the 92s with CAF mods will need ETS switching over to 1.5kV - and you'd think they'd have at least one or two goes at coupling to/powering Mk5s before they need to do it "for real".

That will mean a window when certain 92s are taken off the beds for the ETS change-over will be unable to work the Mk3/Mk2 stock, and before they can work the Mk5s in service. So could be a couple of weeks of interesting traction just prior to the Mk5 launch. Presumably FL 90s will be heavily involved, but also possible guest appearances from 032 and/or 044... and maybe even an 86 or 87 if we're very lucky.
 

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From 28 October different rates apply and sharing twin cabins is only for those on the same booking. The inclusive rates are different (higher) for both Lowland (new trains) and Highland (transition period with old stock for a few months) and crucially there is no longer a class distinction.
From that, do I infer correctly that on the new stock, the only choice will be between booking a shared cabin or a solo cabin? Combined with your comment about sharing only being available within the same booking, that appears to mean that solo travellers will have no alternative to paying the (probably enhanced) equivalent of the old first class fare (that guaranteed solo occupancy). Or will there be smaller, lower cost single-only cabins?
On the occasions I did use the sleeper in Scotrail days I booked first purely to guarantee solo occupancy, but it seems unfortunate to remove the option of a lower fare if one didn't mind possibly having to share.
 

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From that, do I infer correctly that on the new stock, the only choice will be between booking a shared cabin or a solo cabin?

No, there are several layers of "class" of cabin as well.

Does this change mean it is a Standard class train only, i.e. supplements are charged onto the Standard fare for singles and doubles? This would make some sense, as the mere mention of First Class these days is enough for most businesses to go scurrying behind their expenses policies when it makes more sense to compare it with the cost of a Standard Anytime ticket plus a Premier Inn.
 

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No, there are several layers of "class" of cabin as well.

Does this change mean it is a Standard class train only, i.e. supplements are charged onto the Standard fare for singles and doubles?
It seems that they're trying to get away from supplements altogether - the berth booking is the fare, so that each type of berth is a different travel class. There was an internal document posted recently (which I now can't find, it may have been taken down) which equated a Classic room to Standard, and a Club room to First, where it was necessary to equate the two for staff travel privileges and so forth, but seemed to suggest that booking a sleeping car berth with an existing ticket would be treated similarly to excessing a Standard ticket to First.
 

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It seems that they're trying to get away from supplements altogether - the berth booking is the fare, so that each type of berth is a different travel class. There was an internal document posted recently (which I now can't find, it may have been taken down) which equated a Classic room to Standard, and a Club room to First, where it was necessary to equate the two for staff travel privileges and so forth, but seemed to suggest that booking a sleeping car berth with an existing ticket would be treated similarly to excessing a Standard ticket to First.

If only we could move to single-fare pricing and this would all be simpler.
 

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Any idea what happened to 1S25 this morning showing as cancelled at dalwhinnie this morning due to a problem with the traction equipment.
 

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Don't know whats hauling it tonight, no idea the 67 has been repaired or not.
High engine temperature shutdown.

DRS 66 sent from Motherwell as 1Z99.

So assuming the 67 can get the Engine running it will be both tonight. 67 for ETH and 66 for power.
 

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High engine temperature shutdown.

DRS 66 sent from Motherwell as 1Z99.

So assuming the 67 can get the Engine running it will be both tonight. 67 for ETH and 66 for power.


Maybe just topped up the coolant tank. They will probably have the 66 on it just incase, puts the max speed down to 75mph though.
 

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Massive shout out for the showers in the lounge at Euston. Hadn’t used them since March but was in there last night and there has been a massive improvement, perhaps a combination of new boiler and improved pipes/ water flow. So a really good shower and then a good run behind 90046 as far as Carstairs. Adequate breakfast - I’d say about as good as the LNER offering on Monday morning - and arrived on time into Waverley.

Also enjoyed a first visit to the Doric Arch earlier in the evening.

The sleeper is going to be getting a bigger share of my London travel, going forward.
 

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Will 67016 get swapped over at edinburgh tonight then.
I believe the plan is 67015 (EC Thunderbird) is being released by LNER to work 1S25 north. 67022 (which was at Crewe IEMD) is then heading north tonight (possibly on 6X77?) to take over from 67015.
 
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