Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

[Tam]

Video of NR 195 being shunted at Velim yesterday (28/09/18), with NR 331 top & tailed on the spur to the main line.

https://streamable.com/4wn69

 

[pt_mad]

A couple of photos from Velim today.

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What a really great looking train. They've got it really right with this appearances wise, all round really cool looking unit.

Hope it rides really smoothly.

 

[Defiance149]

A three-car set, believed to be a 195, was delivered by road to Edge Hill late last week. Anyone know the ID please?

 

[Bevan Price]

A three-car set, believed to be a 195, was delivered by road to Edge Hill late last week. Anyone know the ID please?

Don't know if there are any others, but 195.103 did a test run from Warrington to Edge Hill last Friday (28 Sept.)

 

[507021]

A three-car set, believed to be a 195, was delivered by road to Edge Hill late last week. Anyone know the ID please?

195105.

 

[LeylandLen]

Northern unveiled the new class 195 at Liverpool today ; there was an item on BBC North West Tonight feauturing 195 105.
98 new trains ordered, I assume its 98 x 3car units. Spokesman said all should be in service by end of 2019.l

 

[Domh245]

No, 25x2 car DMUs, 30x3 car DMUs, 31x3 car EMUs, and 12x4 car EMUs.

 

[John Karun]

Interior pics of 195105 from Liverpool today.

 

[superkev]

In this age of battleship spec trains it would be nice to know the carrage weights.
Interesting to compare with the best in class 158 ~~35t; midrange 170 ~~45t and the lard butt 185s ~55t
K

 

[MatthewRead]

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Interior pics of 195105 from Liverpool today.

But they aren't in service yet are they?

 

[Bletchleyite]

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Interior pics of 195105 from Liverpool today.

Apart from the lazy window alignment (2/10, see me after school, could have tried harder) that isn't bad at all. Quite a step change for Northern passengers!

In particular a massive luggage rack - which muppets were saying that wasn't possible any more in the 1990s while stock like 170s, 175s and Voyagers were being churned out with pointlessly small racks?

 

[Bungle965]

Apart from the lazy window alignment (2/10, see me after school, could have tried harder) that isn't bad at all. Quite a step change for Northern passengers!

In particular a massive luggage rack - which muppets were saying that wasn't possible any more in the 1990s while stock like 170s, 175s and Voyagers were being churned out with pointlessly small racks?

I think I have found my favourite seat already, in that fourth picture there is a single seat on a table. No dount I will not be the only one who will be aiming for that seat!
Sam

 

[Bornin1980s]

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Interior pics of 195105 from Liverpool today.

A bit of a design flaw, the cab door opens into a rear facing passenger's face.

In this age of battleship spec trains it would be nice to know the carrage weights.
Interesting to compare with the best in class 158 ~~35t; midrange 170 ~~45t and the lard butt 185s ~55t
K

It would be easy to beat a 185. The lightest 185 car weighs about as much as the heaviest Class 800 car!

 

[Bletchleyite]

I think I have found my favourite seat already, in that fourth picture there is a single seat on a table. No dount I will not be the only one who will be aiming for that seat!

That will no doubt be almost as prized as the double-legroom window side exit row seat (the row in front is missing a window seat and has only "middle" and aisle) on some Boeing 737s!

(Or the single airline seat on GWR HSTs)

 

[Nymanic]

In this age of battleship spec trains it would be nice to know the carrage weights.
Interesting to compare with the best in class 158 ~~35t; midrange 170 ~~45t and the lard butt 185s ~55t
K

The Britain's New Trains book, first mentioned over in the Class 701 thread, actually quotes some figures for full trains (rather than specific cars). I'm not sure how reliable or realistic the numbers are, but you'd expect a certain degree of accuracy from a printed publication.
195/0: 87t
195/1: 123t
331/0: 125.5t
331/1: 157.4t

 

[superkev]

The Britain's New Trains book, first mentioned over in the Class 701 thread, actually quotes some figures for full trains (rather than specific cars). I'm not sure how reliable or realistic the numbers are, but you'd expect a certain degree of accuracy from a printed publication.
195/0: 87t
195/1: 123t
331/0: 125.5t
331/1: 157.4t

Thank you. Doesn't beat the class 158 of 38tons a car or the 172 (41t) but slightly better than the non too quick 170 (45t). Presumably with a similar power train and weight to a 172 performance will be similar.
K

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The nice-looking PIS screens look like those going in on TPE's 185s - one looks a bit oversize for its location by the doors.
Not a fan of the seat coverings, they look the same as the refurbed 15x units.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Regarding the 2-car 195. Instinct tells me that such a short unit should have inter-unit gangway connections. But history says not necessarily so.

The part of me that likes neat ideas suggests all 195s should be 3-car minimum initially. Then one day in the future some of those 3-car 195s could become 2-car and work lesser routes with the surplus mid cars going to make other 195s 4-car or even 5-car. [/brainstorm].

The realist in thinks the 195s will end up all over the place from early in the careers. There will have been a need for the 195s to have gangway connections on the longer routes but once they get onto a complicated diagram it might not be so essential. Especially as I suppose the 195s will never inter-work with 15X units ?.

 

[Bornin1980s]

Is the plan still to use them only on Connect services, or might they be available for other diagrams and stoppers as needed?

 

[GrimShady]

Regarding the 2-car 195. Instinct tells me that such a short unit should have inter-unit gangway connections. But history says not necessarily so.

The part of me that likes neat ideas suggests all 195s should be 3-car minimum initially. Then one day in the future some of those 3-car 195s could become 2-car and work lesser routes with the surplus mid cars going to make other 195s 4-car or even 5-car. [/brainstorm].

The realist in thinks the 195s will end up all over the place from early in the careers. There will have been a need for the 195s to have gangway connections on the longer routes but once they get onto a complicated diagram it might not be so essential. Especially as I suppose the 195s will never inter-work with 15X units ?.

I too think these should have had gangway ends.

They are very nice units inside going by the images posted.

 

[krus_aragon]

We're lucky in Wales that our new (Civity) DMU fleet will have end-doors throughout, thanks to representations from users of the Cambrian. If not for that, the split working at Machynlleth and Shrewsbury (and soon Chester and Swansea too) would be very awkward.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Is the plan still to use them only on Connect services, or might they be available for other diagrams and stoppers as needed?

AFAIK the only "vanilla" Northern services they'll work will be the occasional positioning short services, though those will probably end up being designated as Connect.

Then again, Northern Connect was supposed to have a distinct livery and branding, but this appears to not be the case.

 

[DJH1971]

195103 at Liverpool Lime Street just a few minutes ago.,

 

[Goldie]

I kind of can't believe that they've ordered two coach 195s. But i am please to see these coming closer - agonisingly slowly! - to entering service.

 

[Clip]

A bit of a design flaw, the cab door opens into a rear facing passenger's face.

Theres a few units around with this feature - i guess theres no other way to have them

I kind of can't believe that they've ordered two coach 195s. But i am please to see these coming closer - agonisingly slowly! - to entering service.

Tehres routes where 2 car is sufficient at some times like colne to blackpool south off peak and such like - would be wasted space otherwise

 

[Flyingsprinter]

Theres a few units around with this feature - i guess theres no other way to have them



Tehres routes where 2 car is sufficient at some times like colne to blackpool south off peak and such like - would be wasted space otherwise

That will never been a connect service though. On all of the connect services a 2 car unit is insufficient now, never mind in a few years time. The order of 2 car units shows no consideration for future growth. You’d think they’d have learnered from the past but apparently not.

 

[Bletchleyite]

That will never been a connect service though. On all of the connect arrives a 2 car unit is insufficient now, never mind in a few years time. The order of 2 car units shows no consideration for future growth. You’d think they’d have learnered from the past but apparently not.

The argument for 2-car DMUs is that as wires spread they will end up on branches, allowing 15x to be scrapped. I can't imagine Ormskirk-Preston or Preston-Colne ever needing more than 2-car.

The flaw, though, is in the lack of gangways given that for the first 10-20 years of their lives they will mostly not be running around alone. Only Northern have been stupid enough to order non-gangwayed 2-car DMUs. If they wanted to go non-gangwayed for a reason, they should have instead ordered 3 and 4-car units and reformed them later if necessary.

 

[Chester1]

That will never been a connect service though. On all of the connect arrives a 2 car unit is insufficient now, never mind in a few years time. The order of 2 car units shows no consideration for future growth. You’d think they’d have learnered from the past but apparently not.

Unit end gangways would have been a good choice but I can see why 2 and 3 car units have been ordered. The 195s are likely to spend the majority of their 30+ year lives on rural routes. They are a short / medium term fix to improve services while the long term infrastructure and rolling stock picture becomes clear. Porterbrooks plan to add batteries to 350s going off lease shows how much things could change. With 2+2 seating they would be suitable for the Liverpool, Barrow and Windermere to Manchester Airport Northern Connect services. Arriva may have discussed longer 195s and simply been told no by the Roscos.

 

[Andyh82]

I’d love for a situation where class 195s are so far down the Northern pecking order that they are only used on rural routes. When will that be, two franchises after this one?

 

[krus_aragon]

I’d love for a situation where class 195s are so far down the Northern pecking order that they are only used on rural routes. When will that be, two franchises after this one?

Two franchises at ~10 years a piece, then they'd be getting on for 20-30 years old. I guess that'd be a reasonable age for them to be considered "bottom-of-barrel" stock.