Aviation Discussion

[Butts]

But it’s not a Flybe flight operated by Air France. It’s an Air France flight that has a Flybe code share. There is a difference!

Similarly, lots of Aer Lingus flights have BA flight numbers for example and vice versa. Different conditions re baggage and on board service can and do apply in those cases.

Code shares do not extend onboard service conditions.

I booked it on the Flybe Website so if I were to book on the Air France Website a flight that was operated by Flybe you would not get the free refreshments/snack ?

 

[berneyarms]

I booked it on the Flybe Website so if I were to book on the Air France Website a flight that was operated by Flybe you would not get the free refreshments/snack ?

Not on a codeshare flight, no you would not.

You get the service offered by the operating airline.

When booking a flight you always should check the flight number and who operates it.

 

[Butts]

Not on a codeshare flight, no you would not.

You get the service offered by the operating airline.

When booking a flight you always should check the flight number and who operates it.

So in other words why use a Flybe Operated Service if you have the chance to use the Air France one from MAN to CDG as it offers better perks.

 

[berneyarms]

Well that would all depend on the time of the flight, price, onward travel plans etc.

Not everyone places the same value on in-flight service.

 

[johnnychips]

When I travelled on Flybe plane on an Air France codeshare to catch an Air France flight from Paris, I got a voucher for a free drink.

 

[Butts]

When I travelled on Flybe plane on an Air France codeshare to catch an Air France flight from Paris, I got a voucher for a free drink.

Was it valid for any sort of drink - ie Alcoholic as well ?

 

[atillathehunn]

I managed to get booze with it yes. Not sure if official or i just looked desperate.

Similar deal on SN short haul if connecting to long haul where service is normall BoB.

 

[berneyarms]

I suspect that’s a deal to make the interline into the long haul product more palatable.

Whether a point to point customer gets the same is another thing.

 

[atillathehunn]

I suspect that’s a deal to make the interline into the long haul product more palatable.

Whether a point to point customer gets the same is another thing.

With regard to which point?

SN point was clear that it was due to interlining. If the Flybe comment then not sure what you mean.

 

[atillathehunn]

Good news in case you were planning a trip to Pune on Lufthansa: after the new year the Privatair 737 makes a come back 6 times weekly on Frankfurt - Pune - Bucharest - Frankfurt.
Replaces the service as it stands which is a standard A319 operating via Baku both ways.

The end to the horror flight! And stop in Bucharest is much more sensiblr visa wise in the event of IRROPS
https://www.routesonline.com/news/3...-privatair-737-service-to-pune-from-feb-2019/

 

[berneyarms]

With regard to which point?

SN point was clear that it was due to interlining. If the Flybe comment then not sure what you mean.

I mean that johnnychips posted above that AF provided a voucher for food/drink to them when they were interlining via CDG where the first flight was a codeshare on Flybe.

I’d be surprised if they do the same for people booking MAN-CDG point-to-point customers (non-interline) who book a codeshare flight operated by Flybe.

 

[atillathehunn]

I mean that someone posted above that AF offered a voucher to them when they were interlining via CDG where the
first flight was a codeshare on Flybe.

I’d be surprised if they do the same for people booking MAN-CDG point to point customers who book a codeshare flight.

Ah that makes sense.
I was connecting so makes sense.

Likely then similar to the SN deal.

 

[Crawley Ben]

Reported elsewhere (Daily Mail amongst others), that the Cypriot airline Colbalt Air has collapsed tonight. All flights have been suspended indefinitely & passengers advised not to head to airports where they were booked to fly from as no Colbalt Air staff will be present.

I'm aware they flew from Larnca to Heathrow & Gatwick (also Stansted and Manchester I believe..?) and other destations in Europe.

Another airline quickly gone following the recent collapse of Primera Air...

Ben

 

[AlterEgo]

Cobalt are dead and I’ve got to find another way of getting to Cyprus. Oh well!

 

[Bald Rick]

Perhaps we should have a “next airline to go bust” thread.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Cobalt are dead and I’ve got to find another way of getting to Cyprus. Oh well!

Is it time ATOL or equivalent was mandatorily extended to all airlines operating into and out of the UK regardless of whether it is a package tour or not? It seems at present a near-uninsurable risk, and that isn't fair.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Is it time ATOL or equivalent was mandatorily extended to all airlines operating into and out of the UK regardless of whether it is a package tour or not? It seems at present a near-uninsurable risk, and that isn't fair.

You can buy Scheduled Airline Failure Insurance on many insurance packages, covering the cost of rebooking flights.

 

[atillathehunn]

Perhaps we should have a “next airline to go bust” thread.

WOW has surely got to go on that list.

 

[atillathehunn]

Cobalt are dead and I’ve got to find another way of getting to Cyprus. Oh well!

How far in advance did they leave you in the lurch?

 

[AlterEgo]

How far in advance did they leave you in the lurch?

About six weeks in my case. But some people got stranded overseas of course.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Perhaps we should have a “next airline to go bust” thread.

Based on the stuff in the news this week, FlyBe?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/17/flybe-warns-will-make-loss-market-weakens/

Low-cost airline was Flybe was sent into tailspin after warning projected losses would be larger than expected. ... Flybe's pre-tax losses will be £22m, excluding a £10m credit on an onerous lease. This compares with analyst forecasts of a £6m pre-tax loss and the airline's own ...

 

[Crawley Ben]

Flybe going to be launching a new route between Newquay and Southend in 2019.

5x weekly before being increased to daily from 01st May.

Info courtesy of Cornwall based radio station Pirate FM.

Ben

 

[Crawley Ben]

British Airways have announced today they are to launch twice weekly service from Heathrow to Charleston, South Carolina starting April 04th 2019. The service will be seasonal and is scheduled to run until 24th Oct using Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft.

Cheers

Ben

 

[atillathehunn]

British Airways have announced today they are to launch twice weekly service from Heathrow to Charleston, South Carolina starting April 04th 2019. The service will be seasonal and is scheduled to run until 24th Oct using Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft.

Cheers

Ben

I was just coming on here to post this. One day I will be ahead of you with London-based news.

Slightly tangentially, I see that Ethiopian are now doing an Addis - Asmara - Oslo service, and the rumour is that London will follow soon. The formal declaration of peace is surely likely to increase tourism, business and diaspora movements.

 

[atillathehunn]

Flybe going to be launching a new route between Newquay and Southend in 2019.

5x weekly before being increased to daily from 01st May.

Info courtesy of Cornwall based radio station Pirate FM.

Ben

There's a good deal of contradiction between Peter's post and this one. Flybe seem to be in fairly dire financial straits, and I hope are not adopting the Primera 'expand forward bookings to pay today's bills' financial model with more expansion.

Having said that, Newquay - Southend smells a bit like a PSO route?

I can't see Flybe being allowed to go bust completely. They do too many regional routes which otherwise have no service. If they were really very perilous perhaps even BA will buy them out, since they shopped out a lot of their regional flying to them.

I think a shrinking back to their core business would be wise. Stop tinkering, and get back to flying routes from regional UK airports. They appear to do well out of Southampton & Cardiff. Can't understand how they keep Amsterdam alive, other than codeshares. It's almost always less than half full. Aberdeen is usually rammed, this is a family shuttle service for us. Dusseldorf I have used a few times recently and was likewise rammed full. Paris the very few times I used it was busy, but noticed at baggage drop that everyone I could overhear around me and see baggage tags for were on Air France tickets and connecting long-haul.

 

[atillathehunn]

Delta add a (seasonal) daily Boston - Edinburgh with a 757

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/delta-edinburgh-boston-flights-us-13439653

 

[AlterEgo]

Delta add a (seasonal) daily Boston - Edinburgh with a 757

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/delta-edinburgh-boston-flights-us-13439653

Very welcome news. Now, if only the Assembly in NI could get back around the table and decide on some subsidies to attract a daily transatlantic operator to BFS. United pulled out some time ago.

 

[atillathehunn]

Very welcome news. Now, if only the Assembly in NI could get back around the table and decide on some subsidies to attract a daily transatlantic operator to BFS. United pulled out some time ago.

Would imagine given this is a leisure oriented US POS route, and those same "Old Country" U.S. tourists visiting Ireland will fly into either Dublin or Shannon (and benefit from pre-clearance) to do the Kerry Ring etc rather than fly to Belfast (which has a slightly maligned reputation).

 

[AlterEgo]

Would imagine given this is a leisure oriented US POS route, and those same "Old Country" U.S. tourists visiting Ireland will fly into either Dublin or Shannon (and benefit from pre-clearance) to do the Kerry Ring etc rather than fly to Belfast (which has a slightly maligned reputation).

You're probably right that the main demand was leisure, but that was the whole point of the subsidy - to attract business demand into Northern Ireland and stimulate the economy there. United couldn't have made a profit on the route which is why it only existed when the subsidy did.

 

[atillathehunn]

You're probably right that the main demand was leisure, but that was the whole point of the subsidy - to attract business demand into Northern Ireland and stimulate the economy there. United couldn't have made a profit on the route which is why it only existed when the subsidy did.

Unfortunately it seems there isn't that demand that isn't soaked up by BA/AA and the shuttle to Heathrow with multiple daily flights.