Kernowfem
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Good picture. Is it just me or does anyone else think this class always looked creepy in some way?
Where did you take the pic?
Where did you take the pic?
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It looks like a mark on the window.
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Royston Vasey
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found it: http://victorialine67.locos.fpic.co.uk/p62048350.html
there was no light reflecting from behind either
Think you've been watching too much Most Haunted!
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The 158 Man
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Interesting. I'd certainly like to know what was going on.
When anything happens to me and I pass into the 'other side', I'll make enquiries!
Old Timer
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I suspect I shall be able to meet you on arrival and tell you !
I get these a lot when I take photographs at night.
With regards to the picture of the 66 with the secondman in the cab, that is what it is. Nothing spectacular or ghostly simply a trainman or a loco inspector in the cab with the Driver. Unless of course you did not see anyone else in the cab ?
Look chap I am not trying to put water on your bonfire here, but that is a classic reflection of the front of the lens.
there was no light reflecting from behind either
I get these a lot when I take photographs at night.
With regards to the picture of the 66 with the secondman in the cab, that is what it is. Nothing spectacular or ghostly simply a trainman or a loco inspector in the cab with the Driver. Unless of course you did not see anyone else in the cab ?
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The 158 Man
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Well if it is an Inspector (or whoever) in the cab, they certainly look a pit pale! 
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I shall look forward to it.
Cup of tea with two sugars please!
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I shall look forward to it.
Cup of tea with two sugars please! 
SouthEastern-465
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To me it looks like a Class 37 which windows dirty and the sun-light is shining from somewhere causing the effect on the window.
37401
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Fair `nuff
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Well if it is an Inspector (or whoever) in the cab, they certainly look a pit pale!
Not Zontar is it?
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Gone AWOL perhaps.
FlyingScot
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Why is nobody talking about my pants wettingly scary story?Or chatting about my new avatar?And my wolsztyn thread has been viewed 54 times but no posts!Seriosly,if you don't post,you'll be haunted by the ghost of green arrow's freedom!
Apparently (Guardian, 'Bad Science', yesterday) there's a guy in the 'States who has a long-standing offer of a million dollars to anyone who can prove the existance of the supernatural.
Needless to say, his money remains unclaimed.
Needless to say, his money remains unclaimed.
Old Timer
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Ah, yes we know about him. 
He has a habit of changing the goalposts somewhat, especially now that bit by bit his contention that it is impossible to prove ghosts has been rather knocked back by measureable distrubances to both the magnetic fields and temperature in areas where ghostly activity is said to occur.
This is a measurable scientific fact, something that was not available 20/30 years ago, which is why he has had to change the goalposts. AS more sophisticated measurement techniques are developed I have no doubt that the goalpost will change yet again.
People still "see" things which when compared to continuing records demonstrate that there is much that cannot be explained by science at this time.
A good example is Bluebell Hill in Surrey.
I will let this website explain.
http://www.roadghosts.com/Introduction.htm
He has a habit of changing the goalposts somewhat, especially now that bit by bit his contention that it is impossible to prove ghosts has been rather knocked back by measureable distrubances to both the magnetic fields and temperature in areas where ghostly activity is said to occur.
This is a measurable scientific fact, something that was not available 20/30 years ago, which is why he has had to change the goalposts. AS more sophisticated measurement techniques are developed I have no doubt that the goalpost will change yet again.
People still "see" things which when compared to continuing records demonstrate that there is much that cannot be explained by science at this time.
A good example is Bluebell Hill in Surrey.
I will let this website explain.
http://www.roadghosts.com/Introduction.htm
Trog
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Thinking about this I remember turning up on a site before dawn one winter Sunday morning, and was sitting on a plastic sack of out of date dets in a half ruined PW hut. That were being used as shelter by a handsignalman shooting a speed. While I waited for the supervisor and his men to turn up.
I was chatting to the handsignalman when he says to me have you heard about the draughtsman who got killed last night. No I said have you heard a name? Yes he says and tells me my own name!
I suppose that as I had walked through what is now a red zone prohibited area on my own in the dark to get to the site, the health and safety people will tell you I should be dead. But it was actually the bloke who sat behind me who had been killed. I just look half dead, so no haunting there.
I was chatting to the handsignalman when he says to me have you heard about the draughtsman who got killed last night. No I said have you heard a name? Yes he says and tells me my own name!
I suppose that as I had walked through what is now a red zone prohibited area on my own in the dark to get to the site, the health and safety people will tell you I should be dead. But it was actually the bloke who sat behind me who had been killed. I just look half dead, so no haunting there.
Old Timer
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I was invited to a "dining in night" last Thursday by the OC of one of the RAF Training Squadrons, whose intake of Pilots had just finished their course.
Afterwards in the Officers mess I recounted the differing views on here about ghosts, and heard this story from one of the long serving Flying Instructors.
Group photographs are taken at various stages of a man's career, especially an Officer's.
A group photograph was taken of a group of Officers at a passing out at Cranwell in 1919.
When the photograph was printed, an additional person was seen to be in the photograph. It was quickly established that the face belonged to an aircraft engineer called Freddy Jackson.
The thing is that he had been involved in a fatal accident three days before.
He had tripped and fallen into the blades died of an aircraft ready for take off.
The picture is still in existence and apparantly was featured in the Fortean Times.
Another Instructor recounted serving at another airfield as a junior Officer and coming across a wing Commander, who was new to the station, sleeping in his car one night when he was duty pilot.
The WC had slept in his room the night before and had been awakened by another Officer dressed in flying gear with a yellow Mae West and sheepskin boots. Still sleepy the WC heard the other Officer say "Oh sorry old boy", and then he walked out the door.
Now being sleepy the WC did not put two and two together for a short while, then he suddenly realised that the Pilot was incorrectly dressed. This was after all the start of the Cold War.
He got dressed and checked who was on duty when it came to light that this apparition had been seen before.
The WC went out to his car for the rest of the night and the following night where he was spotted.
At his request he was allocated a different room.
I asked the older hands if they had ever felt uncomfortable in the lounge in the Officers Mess at Hemswell, and after admitting that I found the atmosphere very sad and depressive in there those who had been stationed there admitted that they had felt the same, but had never felt able to admit to it.
Hemswell is a strange place, a very strange place, and definitely somewhere I have never felt comfortable at night. Interesting that others have felt the same.
Afterwards in the Officers mess I recounted the differing views on here about ghosts, and heard this story from one of the long serving Flying Instructors.
Group photographs are taken at various stages of a man's career, especially an Officer's.
A group photograph was taken of a group of Officers at a passing out at Cranwell in 1919.
When the photograph was printed, an additional person was seen to be in the photograph. It was quickly established that the face belonged to an aircraft engineer called Freddy Jackson.
The thing is that he had been involved in a fatal accident three days before.
He had tripped and fallen into the blades died of an aircraft ready for take off.
The picture is still in existence and apparantly was featured in the Fortean Times.
Another Instructor recounted serving at another airfield as a junior Officer and coming across a wing Commander, who was new to the station, sleeping in his car one night when he was duty pilot.
The WC had slept in his room the night before and had been awakened by another Officer dressed in flying gear with a yellow Mae West and sheepskin boots. Still sleepy the WC heard the other Officer say "Oh sorry old boy", and then he walked out the door.
Now being sleepy the WC did not put two and two together for a short while, then he suddenly realised that the Pilot was incorrectly dressed. This was after all the start of the Cold War.
He got dressed and checked who was on duty when it came to light that this apparition had been seen before.
The WC went out to his car for the rest of the night and the following night where he was spotted.
At his request he was allocated a different room.
I asked the older hands if they had ever felt uncomfortable in the lounge in the Officers Mess at Hemswell, and after admitting that I found the atmosphere very sad and depressive in there those who had been stationed there admitted that they had felt the same, but had never felt able to admit to it.
Hemswell is a strange place, a very strange place, and definitely somewhere I have never felt comfortable at night. Interesting that others have felt the same.
It'd be fairly easy to prove the existance of a ghost. You take the ghost along to the guy who's offering the $1M and introduce him as a being that can be seen, but has no 'substance'. It would be able to walk through solid objects, one presumes, it may locally lower the room temperature, and perhaps have magnetic effects - all the usual 'ghostly' attributes.
Scientists and technitions can confirm that no technical trickery is taking place - no projected images or laser holograms being used to create the 'ghost' image.
But... where do you find such a complicient ghost? Reports of sightings are by individuals and are fleeting, so impossible to verify. Why is that, one wonders?
If the supernatural exists, why doesn't it show itself in some sort on incontravertible way? Perhaps a 'ghost soldier' walking across the Mall at the Changing of the Guard, or appearing at the cenotaph on Remebrance Sunday, in full view of thousands of spectators and recorded of thousands of video machines and national TV? As I asked earlier, a 'ghost train' Rocket witnessed simultaniously by hundreds of commuters at a busy rush hour station, would take some rational explaining.
But these events never happen. Call me a cynic, but if all the reported 'events' happen in circumstances which makes them unverifyable, and never in public and in a way that leaves no rationally-unexplainable evidence trail, then it's probably becuase there is no such thing.
Once there was thought to be such evidence - some little girls took some photos in their garden which, on developing, showed the images of fairys. It was unexplainable at the time, but modern forensic techniques exposed them as falsified images.
So I don't think our man in the 'States would need to move any goalposts. He would simply demand incontravertible evidence (as opposed to alleged and unprovable personal experiences) that the supernatural exists - there is not one jot, anywhere.
I wonder why that is?
Scientists and technitions can confirm that no technical trickery is taking place - no projected images or laser holograms being used to create the 'ghost' image.
But... where do you find such a complicient ghost? Reports of sightings are by individuals and are fleeting, so impossible to verify. Why is that, one wonders?
If the supernatural exists, why doesn't it show itself in some sort on incontravertible way? Perhaps a 'ghost soldier' walking across the Mall at the Changing of the Guard, or appearing at the cenotaph on Remebrance Sunday, in full view of thousands of spectators and recorded of thousands of video machines and national TV? As I asked earlier, a 'ghost train' Rocket witnessed simultaniously by hundreds of commuters at a busy rush hour station, would take some rational explaining.
But these events never happen. Call me a cynic, but if all the reported 'events' happen in circumstances which makes them unverifyable, and never in public and in a way that leaves no rationally-unexplainable evidence trail, then it's probably becuase there is no such thing.
Once there was thought to be such evidence - some little girls took some photos in their garden which, on developing, showed the images of fairys. It was unexplainable at the time, but modern forensic techniques exposed them as falsified images.
So I don't think our man in the 'States would need to move any goalposts. He would simply demand incontravertible evidence (as opposed to alleged and unprovable personal experiences) that the supernatural exists - there is not one jot, anywhere.
I wonder why that is?
Old Timer
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Ah, the usual Captain Speaking response.
Ignore what has been posted and continue with your mantra.
It is clear to anyone, and should be to you as well, that for whatever reason ghosts appear to manifest themselves in particular places, so to desire one to "come along" to a specific venue on a specific day to a specific audience (invariably constituted with cynics no doubt) is a juvenille response, and you know that to be the case too.
I have given you yet another case (Bluebell Hill) which rational level headed people cannot explain, and the Police know to be a location where over time continuing reports of the same nature come in, so much so that the local Police Officers who attend are briefed on it.
Continuing to deny that there are events that simply cannot be explaied does your case more harm than good when even a little Googling will reveal that the jury really is out on this one at this time, amongst those in the scientific community who have open minds at least.
So explain something to me. There are many documented cases of Psychic Mediums working with the Police both here in the US who have assisted in bringing murderers to justice. They have provided information not available to others and in some cases known only to the Police investigating. There is no logical scientific explanation available unless you have one ?
As presented to you before, scientists have already proven certain occurrences that cannot be explained by so called rational science.
Even the Military of the both the US and the Soviet Union experimented with the paranormal and obtained results that statistically could not be achieved by random.
Every time someone posts something that is not explained as yet, up you pop to throw in your continuing input, which I have to say is becoming negatively boring to the remainder of us.
To quote Hamlet yet once more "...The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Ignore what has been posted and continue with your mantra.
It is clear to anyone, and should be to you as well, that for whatever reason ghosts appear to manifest themselves in particular places, so to desire one to "come along" to a specific venue on a specific day to a specific audience (invariably constituted with cynics no doubt) is a juvenille response, and you know that to be the case too.
I have given you yet another case (Bluebell Hill) which rational level headed people cannot explain, and the Police know to be a location where over time continuing reports of the same nature come in, so much so that the local Police Officers who attend are briefed on it.
Continuing to deny that there are events that simply cannot be explaied does your case more harm than good when even a little Googling will reveal that the jury really is out on this one at this time, amongst those in the scientific community who have open minds at least.
So explain something to me. There are many documented cases of Psychic Mediums working with the Police both here in the US who have assisted in bringing murderers to justice. They have provided information not available to others and in some cases known only to the Police investigating. There is no logical scientific explanation available unless you have one ?
As presented to you before, scientists have already proven certain occurrences that cannot be explained by so called rational science.
Even the Military of the both the US and the Soviet Union experimented with the paranormal and obtained results that statistically could not be achieved by random.
Every time someone posts something that is not explained as yet, up you pop to throw in your continuing input, which I have to say is becoming negatively boring to the remainder of us.
To quote Hamlet yet once more "...The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
SouthEastern-465
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It'd be fairly easy to prove the existance of a ghost. You take the ghost along to the guy who's offering the $1M and introduce him as a being that can be seen, but has no 'substance'. It would be able to walk through solid objects, one presumes, it may locally lower the room temperature, and perhaps have magnetic effects - all the usual 'ghostly' attributes.
Scientists and technitions can confirm that no technical trickery is taking place - no projected images or laser holograms being used to create the 'ghost' image.
But... where do you find such a complicient ghost? Reports of sightings are by individuals and are fleeting, so impossible to verify. Why is that, one wonders?
If the supernatural exists, why doesn't it show itself in some sort on incontravertible way? Perhaps a 'ghost soldier' walking across the Mall at the Changing of the Guard, or appearing at the cenotaph on Remebrance Sunday, in full view of thousands of spectators and recorded of thousands of video machines and national TV? As I asked earlier, a 'ghost train' Rocket witnessed simultaniously by hundreds of commuters at a busy rush hour station, would take some rational explaining.
But these events never happen. Call me a cynic, but if all the reported 'events' happen in circumstances which makes them unverifyable, and never in public and in a way that leaves no rationally-unexplainable evidence trail, then it's probably becuase there is no such thing.
Once there was thought to be such evidence - some little girls took some photos in their garden which, on developing, showed the images of fairys. It was unexplainable at the time, but modern forensic techniques exposed them as falsified images.
So I don't think our man in the 'States would need to move any goalposts. He would simply demand incontravertible evidence (as opposed to alleged and unprovable personal experiences) that the supernatural exists - there is not one jot, anywhere.
I wonder why that is?
You just dont get the message do you
The 158 Man
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Haha! 
I was wondering how long it would take for another reply like this!
I was wondering how long it would take for another reply like this!
I don't think it's me that's missing any 'message'. Instead of pushing yet more 'examples' of pure wibble, why not directly answer my very straightforward post above?
Why has there been no public manifestation, ever, of the supernatural? Something lots of folk see together, preferably with recorded evidence that can be analysed (like my 'Cenotaph' example)? If the supernatural existed, then there would have been, on many occasions. But there has been not one.
Can someone please answer that instead of merely posting patronising put-downs (anyone can do that - it's not clever)?
Why has there been no public manifestation, ever, of the supernatural? Something lots of folk see together, preferably with recorded evidence that can be analysed (like my 'Cenotaph' example)? If the supernatural existed, then there would have been, on many occasions. But there has been not one.
Can someone please answer that instead of merely posting patronising put-downs (anyone can do that - it's not clever)?
Mintona
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CS, I think we all understand your viewpoint, and I admit I tend to agree with it. But there's no need to constantly spout bull**** on this rather interesting and intriguing thread.
Old Timer
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There have been manifestations to multiple people, especially RAF ghosts.
Please do go and Google, Old Chap.
No-one I think is putting you down, but your absolute insistence that only YOU are correct here, and everyone else is either wrong or a charlatan is starting to grind with most people I suspect, hence the comments.
Certainly you are the master of ignoring items posted which cannot simply be explained in the way that you would prefer.
Whilst you are welcome to your opinions, we all know you are a sceptic. No-one believes for one moment that you will open your mind to the possibility that there may not be any current explanation so why not accept that others are not closed minded and wish to learn of more instances where paranormal events have occurred without you having to jump in and castigate them continually ?
Please do go and Google, Old Chap.
No-one I think is putting you down, but your absolute insistence that only YOU are correct here, and everyone else is either wrong or a charlatan is starting to grind with most people I suspect, hence the comments.
Certainly you are the master of ignoring items posted which cannot simply be explained in the way that you would prefer.
Whilst you are welcome to your opinions, we all know you are a sceptic. No-one believes for one moment that you will open your mind to the possibility that there may not be any current explanation so why not accept that others are not closed minded and wish to learn of more instances where paranormal events have occurred without you having to jump in and castigate them continually ?
So you agree that it's all wibble, yet you call my contributions (which you agree with, apparently),BS. And you castigate me for calling 'foul' when I point out on here what you know to be correct!
Crikey, that could explain a lot of the illogicality dislayed here!
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Mintona
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If you had posted once explaining your viewpoint, fair enough. But over and over you have ridiculed everyone, including OT who I happen to know is very well liked and respected.
Whilst I don't necessarily believe all the stories, I like to be able to read them and have a tingle sent down my spine, and leave it at that. I don't want then to read pages of disputes over whether they are true or not.
And I don't think they are all "wibble". I said "I tend to agree", not "you are right and everyone else is wrong".
Whilst I don't necessarily believe all the stories, I like to be able to read them and have a tingle sent down my spine, and leave it at that. I don't want then to read pages of disputes over whether they are true or not.
And I don't think they are all "wibble". I said "I tend to agree", not "you are right and everyone else is wrong".
Old Timer
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Chaps, for some reason three quarters of this story have disappeared, so I will repost
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SouthEastern-465
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I would have to agree with you,even if you do agree with him he has told you and us plenty of times so we get the message and I cant see me forgeting hes opinion as he has not shut up about it.
CS we get your input and opinions I/We do not give a crap what you think on this matter no more as you just argue on and say time and time again what your opinion is on the same thing.
WE GET YOUR POINT CAPTAIN SPEAKING.
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Kernowfem
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Guys weve hit the 200 post mark for this thread, im really pleased with the response, and once again would like to thank everyone for contributing, even CS, who has made i believe one story post. Old timer, i have to say i have thoroughly enjoyed your stories, i also have to say id be quite happy to sit in the bar of a quite pub, coke in hand in front of an open fire and listen to you all night. I hope if you have any more, you will post them.
Thanks again guys.
Thanks again guys.
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