Kite159
Veteran Member
Not necessarily, quite a few Guards recently have transferred to Driving Grade so may changed union membership to ASLEF!
Last time: 538 turnout
This time: 483 turnout
Number entitled to vote remained the same.
Not necessarily, quite a few Guards recently have transferred to Driving Grade so may changed union membership to ASLEF!
Last time: 538 turnout
This time: 483 turnout
Number entitled to vote remained the same.
Worth pointing out that guards that are still within their 6 month probationary period are advised that striking within 6 months is advised against and are unlikely to be part of the Union by that stage either.
Internal news letter alleges that SWR are offering the same deal as Northern... which is clearly incorrect as SWR are promising to roster, where as ARN are guaranteeing all trains in service will have a guard... naughty.
But the same number were entitled to vote or is that bit of previous stats wrong?Not necessarily, quite a few Guards recently have transferred to Driving Grade so may changed union membership to ASLEF!
Either someone doesn't understand what has happened in the north; have been misinformed or they are lying.I've heard at interview some are told not to join a union
Anyway regarding SWR this BBC quote doesn't make sense..
A spokesperson for SWT (sic) said: "We have repeatedly committed to rostering a guard on all our services - the same assurance that seems to have been sufficient for the RMT to suspend its strikes elsewhere in the country only yesterday.
I've heard at interview some are told not to join a union
Anyway regarding SWR this BBC quote doesn't make sense..
A spokesperson for SWT (sic) said: "We have repeatedly committed to rostering a guard on all our services - the same assurance that seems to have been sufficient for the RMT to suspend its strikes elsewhere in the country only yesterday.
After my post I suddenly thought perhaps they aren't lying.Oh if they’ve made that quote public then that’s even worse. As infobleep says, it’s either someone not understanding the northern deal, or someone is intentionally not telling the truth to try and convince/turn those that don’t know the whole truth against the RMT. I know which one my money is on.
Well, anyone who thought that the guards had been defeated will be stirred by this news. These three days of action are going to bring SWR to its knees!RMT to strike on
Friday 22nd February
Saturday 9th March
Saturday 16th March
How did the number of guards in the Northern ballot change over time?Number of RMT members eligible to vote in the September 2017 ballot - 805, of which 504 were in favour of strike action
Number eligible in this month's ballot - 753 (425 in favour of strike action)
Total number of SWR guards - 900+?
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the dispute, why would SWR do anything apart from sitting back and waiting?
Either the RMT goes for a big escalation to force the issue or continues on a path to irrelevancy.
There was no requirement for fresh ballots every six months as the first ballot took place before the TU Act became law so we'll never know.How did the number of guards in the Northern ballot change over time?
In normal service any SWR train without a guard would be cancelled as per the northern deal, only difference is they’re seeking to negotiate an exemption during disruption, which I’m pretty sure they’ve stated openly all along.After my post I suddenly thought perhaps they aren't lying.
After all if there is a guard on every train in the Northern deal then thee has to also be a guard rostered on every train.
For Class 701s only.In normal service any SWR train without a guard would be cancelled as per the northern deal, only difference is they’re seeking to negotiate an exemption during disruption
Well it wasn't openly stated in the BBC quote. So either the BBC misquoted them or they were ecnomincal with their statement to the BBC and others.In normal service any SWR train without a guard would be cancelled as per the northern deal, only difference is they’re seeking to negotiate an exemption during disruption, which I’m pretty sure they’ve stated openly all along.
I see what you mean about that particular statement not directly mentioning any disruption clause ,however as far as I understand they’ve proposed to roster a fully qualified guard on all their services which so far is a better offer than the as yet undefined second person’s role on Merseyrail, whose strike the RMT were willing to suspend a long time ago, but as it’s primarily about preserving the bargaining power that goes with stopping trains, almost everyone knows that particular statement is unlikely to change anything.Well it wasn't openly stated in the BBC quote. So either the BBC misquoted them or they were ecnomincal with their statement to the BBC and others.
SWR have always said a fully qualified Guard will be rostered on all their services. The issue is the definition of "disruption" that would allow the 701s to run without a Guard. Amongst other fears are:I see what you mean about that particular statement not directly mentioning any disruption clause ,however as far as I understand they’ve proposed to roster a fully qualified guard on all their services which so far is a better offer than the as yet undefined second person’s role on Merseyrail, whose strike the RMT were willing to suspend a long time ago, but as it’s primarily about preserving the bargaining power that goes with stopping trains, almost everyone knows that particular statement is unlikely to change anything.
A sad fact of life is that people on here do a better job of explaining the argument than the RMT.Either way, won't these 701s be built with bodyside cameras (would be pointless not to)and if so, could it be considered a lost battle for RMT. I know the 707s have bodyside cameras but SWR have only ever been talking about 701s from my knowledge.
I find it slightly annoying that RMT genuinely have some sort of argument that's not just "DOO is dangerous, it's evil's work. We get what we ask for" which is all I've ever seen of them myself.
A quick q for purely selfish reasons.
What’s the next earliest date that there could theoretically be strikes announced for.
In particular could there be strikes called for the 23rd and 30th March?
Having previously had no alternative but to travel on one of the “strike Saturdays”, it’s not an experience either myself or my (disabled) wife would want to repeat for several reasons.
Many thanks in advance.
A sad fact of life is that people on here do a better job of explaining the argument than the RMT.
If I’m correct in my understanding , it’s already been explained on here that due to their current national policy the RMTs NEC wouldn’t approve any deal involving DOO regardless of how small or however trustworthy the negotiators were on both sidesFor various reasons SWR senior management have not built up trust with the RMT over these changes. .
It's probably more of a case of SWR not building trust with its staff. Otherwise why would guards at depots such as Salisbury and Bournemouth vote to strike against proposals that don't affect them?If I’m correct in my understanding , it’s already been explained on here that due to their current national policy the RMTs NEC wouldn’t approve any deal involving DOO regardless of how small or however trustworthy the negotiators were on both sides
Isn't it just simple solidarity? Thin end of the wedge and all that.It's probably more of a case of SWR not building trust with its staff. Otherwise why would guards at depots such as Salisbury and Bournemouth vote to strike against proposals that don't affect them?
Isn't it just simple solidarity? Thin end of the wedge and all that.
The RMT must provide 14 days notice, you will be safe for Saturday 23rd March if no strikes have been called by the night of Saturday 9th March, I'm sure you get the point!
Heart-warmingly 1970s but continuing for so long? Only on the railways.Isn't it just simple solidarity? Thin end of the wedge and all that.
They're probably taking heart from what happened at Northern.Heart-warmingly 1970s but continuing for so long? Only on the railways.