McGill's Buses - Renfrewshire & Inverclyde

[Gingerbus1991]

I use the 77 because i have a first pass and its more frequent .

Bingo!

 

[Observer]

Don't seem to recall anything about a XP21 in this thread.

• PM0000015/303 Registered
  MCGILL'S BUS SERVICE LTD
  
  Route: Parkway, Erskine to Hope Street, Glasgow via Bridgewater, Bargarran Road, Sempil Avenue
  
  Service number: XP23 ()
  
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  
  Effective date: 01 Apr 2019
  
  
• PM0000015/302 Registered
  MCGILL'S BUS SERVICE LTD
  
  Route: Newshot Drive, Erskine to Hope Street, Glasgow via Inchinnan Village, Renfrew
  
  Service number: XP23 ()
  
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  
  Effective date: 01 Apr 2019
  
  
• PM0000015/301 Registered
  MCGILL'S BUS SERVICE LTD
  
  Route: Paisley, Smithhills Street to Glasgow, Hope Street
  
  Service number: XP21 ()
  
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  
  Effective date: 01 Apr 2019

 

[overthewater]

Isnt it just the current x21 but with higher fares

 

[route101]

Seen a decker on the 17 yesterday at Partick , rare or what?

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Seen a decker on the 17 yesterday at Partick , rare or what?

The only deckers they've got are the DAF Gemini's and the one E400. Last I know the E400 was at Johnstone and the 17 is a Johnstone route. It's usually the older Citaro's that are permanently on that route.

 

[route101]

The only deckers they've got are the DAF Gemini's and the one E400. Last I know the E400 was at Johnstone and the 17 is a Johnstone route. It's usually the older Citaro's that are permanently on that route.

Was a DAF gemini , seen the E400 on 38 , quite elusive that

 

[overthewater]

Johnston seems to have been sent the old X23 deckers, already?

 

[AlexanderPS]

Seen a decker on the 17 yesterday at Partick , rare or what?

Seen one today as well.

 

[smtglasgow]

Isnt it just the current x21 but with higher fares

I wonder if the P in XP is for peak – or maybe just pricey. Not sure how they can justify premium fares on the X21 – it only runs one journey in each peak and hasn’t changed in years. McGills are heading down a dangerous path here. If customers think they’re being ripped off, they’ll go elsewhere - most people have an alternative.

 

[overthewater]

Its pricey I've always wonder why the x21 doesn't get more journeys espeical since it goes down roads where it's the only bus.

 

[smtglasgow]

It’s all so cynical. They’re jacking up fares where there isn’t much competition. Don’t think we’ll see an XP38 on Paisley Rd West! No doubt they expect to lose some passengers, but the message from McGills at the moment seems to be that passengers are a bit of an inconvenience.

 

[overthewater]

Mcgills is in melt down right now with the amount of cutback its doing Coatbridge is now a lost cause, Barrhead is about to shut and it does seem some cuts will be made to accommodate all the fleet movements. I doubt it will have money to be at the student fairs this autumn. Where did it all go wrong? I think parlty going to Dumbarton first, that was just draft..

 

[AlexanderPS]

With regards to the Monklands network I think the problem was that they never tried anything different. They bought out everyone and basically kept it the same. Yes they did incorporate the 214 into the 247 and the 200 into the 212 but other than that no major changes. Didn't try a bus to Glasgow or even to Motherwell. Kept it an isolated network to no where. Think the expected to make lots of money without trying anything.

 

[sannox]

The only deckers they've got are the DAF Gemini's and the one E400. Last I know the E400 was at Johnstone and the 17 is a Johnstone route. It's usually the older Citaro's that are permanently on that route.

Deckers on the 17 has happened a few times over the last months. Arriva used to duplicate the 5pm departure 17 with a decker at peaks but that was the old 30 minute service.

Mcgills is in melt down right now with the amount of cutback its doing Coatbridge is now a lost cause, Barrhead is about to shut and it does seem some cuts will be made to accommodate all the fleet movements. I doubt it will have money to be at the student fairs this autumn. Where did it all go wrong? I think parlty going to Dumbarton first, that was just draft..

Maybe. For me the increasing traffic congestion in Glasgow won't have helped. The motorways are rammed and since the QUE hospital opened. It's not uncommon now for traffic to be solid between Airport and Kingston Bridge and journey times have increased.

They seem to be in the classic 'everything must make money' scenario and routes are doing death by 1000 cuts. Sometimes you need 'loss leaders' in the bus market. The 9pm bus service might not make much money but some passengers who use it are also using earlier buses through the day. Cut the evening route and you hurt the daytime profitability.

The bus cuts have decimated connectivity- no service between Govan and Paisley, no service QUEH and Paisley at night or Sundays, hourly service between the Airport and Paisley on a Sunday. Things like this hurt the usefulness of buses and the network. That said the company is still profitable so...

 

[overthewater]

I wonder if SPT will help with a sunday service? The last evening bus is at 20.24 plenty of time for visitor and Staff to get out and catch it.

 

[christopherrfc]

According to traveline a new service is starting between Dunnon and Gourock to replace the 907

 

[overthewater]

https://www.travelinescotland.com/sites/default/files//content/McGills_577_March2019.pdf Here is the tt.

 

[alangla]

1 bus, with a 3 minute turnaround on the mainland side, and a 10 minute cushion at the ferry terminal. Could be “interesting” for timekeeping. Is there actually any point in this vs a dockside service, maybe using WCM on the Cowal side?

 

[ian1944]

Re. the 907, on a recent journey to/from Dunoon, the driver hinted that the replacement would be to extend the 547 Greenock/McInroys across the water, with 901/906 providing the Greenock/Glasgow link. So the internal grapevine wasn't working too well.

 

[Volvodart]

I see the MD has been on twitter today complaining that the Scottish concession scheme is projected to be around 3% over its limit, so the final period's reimbursements due for the 2018/19 year are being substantially reduced to cover the deficit (in the interim by 29%, subject to final adjustment when the full overpayment is worked out).

 

[overthewater]

He now saying more cuts are going to happen:

Exactly. This behaviour needs to stop. My staff and diesel suppliers won’t take a 29% cut so the money has to come from somewhere. Yet another round of service cuts to marginal routes and further isolate communities

Good timing I say, he can blame the changes in April on that..

 

[Volvodart]

Students hit out at McGill's bus bosses over 'discriminatory' new day tickets

https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news...s-bosses-over-discriminatory-new-day-tickets/

Students hit out at McGill's bus bosses over 'discriminatory' new day tickets
By Niall Christie
Students hit out at McGill's bus bosses over 'discriminatory' new tickets

Bosses at bus company McGill's are facing criticism after announcing plans for a new ticket for students.

Earlier this week the company communicated plans to introduce a new student all-day ticket, however, the discounted offer will only be available to those aged 16 to 22.

The new policy does not affect existing student 1 week, 4-week and 10-week tickets offered by McGill's.

The new tickets will now see hundreds of people travelling to colleges and universities in the west of Scotland asked to pay more to travel than their younger classmates.

Students at University of the West of Scotland (UWS) have now said McGill's could face a campaign if the tickets are not opened up to those of all ages.

Dan Hutchison, 24, a UWS student travelling from Glasgow, said: "UWS is a very diverse university with a large mature student body, blocking the student tickets from these students because of age is unfair and unjust.

"I hope McGills will change this promptly to allow all student this ticket. If not we will be organising a campaign to put pressure on them."

Others have called the change discriminatory and outrageous, and asked for "equality for all students".

Karen MacKay said: "The sheer discrimination of McGill's buses, bringing in a policy that discriminates against mature students.

"Only students aged between 16 to 22 will be entitled to student discounted fares, if you are a student over 23 even with a valid student card you will still have to pay full prices.

"This is outrageous."

In response, McGill's have said that discounts on longer-term tickets remain in place for all age groups.

Managing Director, Ralph Roberts: “We’re delighted to announce we are re-introducing a modified student all-day ticket from Monday 11th March.

"Our excellent value for money student 1 week, 4-week and 10-week tickets - with a 15 per cent discount on adult fares - continue unchanged.


"We have amended our student policy so that our new student all-day tickets can only be accessed by those attending college or university full time, aged between 16 and 22. Our other student tickets will not be affected by this policy.”

 

[smtglasgow]

Students hit out at McGill's bus bosses over 'discriminatory' new day tickets

https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news...s-bosses-over-discriminatory-new-day-tickets/

This smacks of an idea devised by someone who went to uni about 20 years ago. Mature students (ie. anyone over 21 coming to uni via a non-traditional route) are a large and growing part of all universities – especially the new universities like UWS which just happens to be in the middle of McGills-land. Got to wonder at some of the ideas coming out of McGills at the moment; it all looks a bit desperate.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Are McGills though actually aware they could be in breach of the Equality Act by defining what age groups can buy the Student All Day Ticket?

Age is a 'Protected Characteristic' under the act so either they are just stupid, or they are discriminating against older students. I'd like to see someone challenge them on this to see what sort of response they get.

I'd challenge them directly, but I don't have a very good rapport with McGills due to events in the past...

 

[gnolife]

Are McGills though actually aware they could be in breach of the Equality Act by defining what age groups can buy the Student All Day Ticket?

Age is a 'Protected Characteristic' under the act so either they are just stupid, or they are discriminating against older students. I'd like to see someone challenge them on this to see what sort of response they get.

I'd challenge them directly, but I don't have a very good rapport with McGills due to events in the past...

I'm not particularly well versed in the details of the law, but how exactly does this differ from offering child tickets? I ask because if there is actually a legitimate issue with this, I potentially stand to benefit from it as a 25 year old full-time student.

 

[christopherrfc]

M-ticket changes

http://www.mcgillsbuses.co.uk/news/mcgills-important-mticket-and-gosmart-fare-information.aspx

 

[Sadsmileyface]

M-ticket changes

http://www.mcgillsbuses.co.uk/news/mcgills-important-mticket-and-gosmart-fare-information.aspx

That is outstanding. Here come the price increases, slowly trickling in from wherever they can. Their M ticket is the only part of the company that works and has no doubt helped cut down on ticket swapping and fare dodging, now they’re scrapping an incentive to get people to switch to it. These guys need a standing ovation for incompetence. Either that or a fire engine for a business that is clearly in the process of burning down.

M-ticket changes

http://www.mcgillsbuses.co.uk/news/mcgills-important-mticket-and-gosmart-fare-information.aspx

 

[philthetube]

Students hit out at McGill's bus bosses over 'discriminatory' new day tickets

https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news...s-bosses-over-discriminatory-new-day-tickets/

Are McGills though actually aware they could be in breach of the Equality Act by defining what age groups can buy the Student All Day Ticket?

Age is a 'Protected Characteristic' under the act so either they are just stupid, or they are discriminating against older students. I'd like to see someone challenge them on this to see what sort of response they get.

I'd challenge them directly, but I don't have a very good rapport with McGills due to events in the past...

They could, and the easy solve would be to get rid of all student tickets, Students need to be careful what they wish for.

 

[oldman]

Businesses are allowed to offer concessions or discounts based on age - for example, cheaper access to leisure facilities for 18-25 year olds, or pensioner lunch deals.

From Citizens Advice.

So mature students aren't paying more - younger students are paying less !

 

[SarahDFIG]

spotted a few days ago was one of the new e200mmcs. 10.7m spec

https://flic.kr/p/2dXZCiw

looks like they have opted for standard seating with fabric.