dk1
Veteran Member
Another cracking run for 9P91 today.
Ok then just give Norwich a 130 minute service to suit the moaners down south. That’s a great idea!
Aw poor you adding a few minutes on to your already short journey.
Before electrification, the servics running non-stop between Ipswich and Norwich were poorly loaded over this stretch. Since electrification, stops at Diss and sometimes Stowmarket have improved the loadings. Regarding Chelmsford, I have at times found it useful for Norwich services to call there obviating the need to change at Colchester.I think you need to take a couple of things into consideration before going of on one. The main revenue for the whole franchise comes from the Essex area stations. Chelmsford in particular is a very busy, very well used station. The more minutes you put into the journey of people traveling from Chelmsford the more likely they are to decide that driving is more convenient to them. I know several people who decided to drive to Westfield at the weekends while the engineering works were on. They found it was actually quite convenient to drive there rather than take the train. It going to take a lot to persuade them to convert back to going by train again. If you make the journey to key stations like Chelmsford too long just to squeeze through an express to Norwich you may find a lot of passengers simply ditch the trains and drive. Then your main revenue earner is gone. It’s a very fine balance between appeasing the Norwich MPs ambitions but also not making Essex passengers journeys so long they simply ditch using the train service.
Plenty of those in West Norfolk are now complaining that Norwich has a faster London service than they do despite them being closer and having a section on the faster ECML. King's Lynn peak journey times ballooned out to 115mins typical (was 95-100) in the Thameslink timetable debacle.Anyone notice the people complaining don’t live in Norfolk?
Around 21L at Ipswich where put ahead of the 'preceding' Norwich.Seems that issues (signalling??) in the Manningtree area are impacting the progress of everything including 9P90 which has just passed around 9L.
More delayed trains in front.
Plenty of those in West Norfolk are now complaining that Norwich has a faster London service than they do despite them being closer and having a section on the faster ECML. King's Lynn peak journey times ballooned out to 115mins typical (was 95-100) in the Thameslink timetable debacle.
Yet Chloe Smith and co are focusing on a half-hour service over here instead of restoring journey times. It's as stupid as their over-budget roads policies that focus on acres of tarmac instead of fixing bottleneck junctions.
That's not the problem. It used to run nonstop south of Cambridge and do it in 95. The MP leading the push for the NINnies on the GEML but half-hourly fen line (which will probably carry mostly fresh air off-peak) instead of restoring the peak Cambridge Cruisers is your fault, though.They’re only 18 miles closer and the service GN offers is a stopper.
It’s not our fault that GN won’t offer a nonstop service to kings lynn
No, only the stops south of Cambridge, especially now they've also got the Thameslinks (which we're not getting, contrary to early proposals) as well as other Cambridge stoppers and semis.So you’re proposing they miss out Ely?
Maybe the Essex MPs should insist that their services are improved, maybe stopping the Norwich trains at Colchester and not looping services that might provide connections into them there.Kings Lynn isn't in the Norwich constituency though? So why would MP's there be concerned about that? It's also a town of 40,000..
When they (Essex MPs) supported Ni90 they thought that their constituents would also benefit.Maybe the Essex MPs should insist that their services are improved, maybe stopping the Norwich trains at Colchester and not looping services that might provide connections into them there.
For the record, I do not live in Essex (or anywhere on the GEML) and I am not a commuter.
I don't know but she's sticking her oar in (see post 238).Kings Lynn isn't in the Norwich constituency though? So why would MP's there be concerned about that? It's also a town of 40,000..
Not yet. Remember that under Anglia Railways the xx00 did just that in 100min every hour. Stadlers may allow this but during the peak & shoulder peak you don't really want to encourage the hoards commuting to Colchester onto Ipswich/Norwich IC services. I remember that under AR neither the 1700, 1730, 1800, 1827 or 1900 ex-Liv St called there & where fast to either Manningtree or Ipswich. There where alternative Harwich PQ or Norwich IC services serving Colchester at 1727 & 1830.Could a stop in Colchester alongside Ipswich work?
1P56 1830 down had a cracking run tonight keeping well out of the way but 9P92 appears to have had a tardy station call at Ipswich. There was an irritating trespass incident at Swainsthorpe (around 5 miles from Norwich) but thankfully appears all good again. Looks like doing it in around 93 so it's getting better by the day on the late run.
As you say a cracking run, appears to have been undone at Ipswich by a combination of the preceding stopper/terminator (which was early!) having to use P3. 9P92 was checked and then put in P4. Left 2L, maintained 2L into Norwich.1P56 1830 down had a cracking run tonight keeping well out of the way but 9P92 appears to have had a tardy station call at Ipswich. There was an irritating trespass incident at Swainsthorpe (around 5 miles from Norwich) but thankfully appears all good again. Looks like doing it in around 93 so it's getting better by the day on the late run.
Oh yes. Have to expect a red at the tunnel mouth & relying on banner repeater. Then it's 20 rather than 30 into 4 then 25 leaving until clear of the points rather than a 'thrash'Does the use of platform 4 at Ipswich slow it down a bit on the approach ?
So annoying. I'd be cursing & punching the desk haha.As you say a cracking run, appears to have been undone at Ipswich by a combination of the preceding stopper/terminator (which was early!) having to use P3. 9P92 was checked and then put in P4. Left 2L, maintained 2L into Norwich.
Getting there!
The Class 90 Electric Loco Group has updated their understanding of the Norwich-Liverpool Street 'Class 90' diagrams.
The update from yesterday indicates a few uncertainties, some on here will know the missing details.
http://www.class90electriclocogroup.co.uk/Greater Anglia Weekday diagrams MAY 2019 v,2.pdf
I am sure that the new 'temporary' (pending units) diagram has already been posted on the forum but I repeat it here:
There is an ECS formed of 321 stock around 20:40 from the Centre Road now. The 22:00 has to be IC stock as it's worked by a Norwich driver as far as Colchester where I presume the Liv St driver who took the bins now relieves him/her.The 06:25 from London should form the Norwich in 90 train according to RTT. 9P92 retires to depot as 5P56. The 22:00 from Norwich is formed off 1P60 in Platform 1 if RTT is correct.
The Class 321s come from Colchester as 5P23 and return there later off the 16:30 from London and then disappear to Norwich TC. Looks like they go back to Colchester as 5F24, again according to RTT.
The Anglian steps up to do the 19:00/21:30 circuit by the looks of it.