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Market Harborough Station Upgrade

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swt_passenger

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When your picture is enlarged it looks very much as though the down platform precast edge sections are already complete, they can be seen vertically below the the furthest yellow excavator’s bucket, in line with the station building’s central window?
 
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When your picture is enlarged it looks very much as though the down platform precast edge sections are already complete, they can be seen vertically below the the furthest yellow excavator’s bucket, in line with the station building’s central window?
You could well be correct as that platform front corner is just about where those blue lines were in a previous picture.
 

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Looks like they will be just North of the Kettering Road bridge? What problems does this create? Poor line of sight or something else?

Big one is potential for SOYSPAD in the up direction. Used to be in the down direction but now they’ve swapped it :D
 

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SOYSPAD????
Sorry,

START
ON
YELLOW
SIGNAL
PASSED
AT
DANGER

Basically in places with large signal sections you can come into a station and your last signal was a Single Yellow. You stop at the station, complete station duties and then set off at full power forgetting your next signal is Red round the corner.

This is currently the case at Market Harbro in the Down direction as there’s no platform starting signal, and in a Meridian you can be doing 60mph+ before you see the next signal, by which time it’s too late....
 

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Ah! Thanks for the explanation. I was aware of "Ding, ding and away." SPADs that sometimes occurred at stations but your SOYSPAD was a new one to me.

(PS do toot when you pass the box at St Albans!)
 

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Big one is potential for SOYSPAD in the up direction. Used to be in the down direction but now they’ve swapped it :D
That is why if you look at the pages from the drivers notice of the new layout you will see new banner repeat signals for LR212 & 214 in the up direction located in a position to be seen from the south end of the platform or within the 1st few metres after departure. LR212 & 214 are located near Little Bowden foot crossing as was but is now the bridge.
 

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But not before 0730, or 0900 at weekends, there’s a good chap. Don’t want to wake up the neighbours.;)

07:00 is prime whistle time when you’re screaming through with an HST at 100mph (assuming TL aren’t up to their shenanigans) and you remember St Albans seems to be the worst station on the MML for the headphone wearing, phone gazing, facing away from you platform edge teeterers.
 

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That is why if you look at the pages from the drivers notice of the new layout you will see new banner repeat signals for LR212 & 214 in the up direction located in a position to be seen from the south end of the platform or within the 1st few metres after departure. LR212 & 214 are located near Little Bowden foot crossing as was but is now the bridge.

Yes I’m aware of those and whilst they mitigate slightly, it’s not the same as a main aspect with associated AWS.
 

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With the possible risk of a Spad on the up line at Market Harborough it made me think, is the MML 3 aspect signals in the old 'Leicester gap' from Bedford to Loughborough?
Surely the signalling should be 4 aspect if the line is undergoing it's biggest modernisation since I don't know when.
 

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With the possible risk of a Spad on the up line at Market Harborough it made me think, is the MML 3 aspect signals in the old 'Leicester gap' from Bedford to Loughborough?
Surely the signalling should be 4 aspect if the line is undergoing it's biggest modernisation since I don't know when.

Wellingborough Sth to Barrow on Soar to be precise.

From what I understand* BR dropped a ball when they opted for 3aspect (seldom used) bi-di rather than 4 aspect and no bi-di.

I believe the bi directional wasn’t even allowed to be used for the first few years after installation. And now it rarely is unless a fright fails somewhere.

*I hope someone more knowledgeable will be along shortly!
 

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Leicester re-signalling (along with contemporary schemes such as Crewe) seem to have been the height of BR penny-pinching when the Sectors had just got hold of the purse strings. A bit later on with the ECML schemes at York and Newcastle they got the level of provision mostly right.

I don't think the bi-di was ever intended to be used in normal service - even with the sparse service of the time it would have needed many more crossovers. It was really intended for single line working during engineering work, but staff safety rules made that virtually impossible to do.
 

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Wellingborough Sth to Barrow on Soar to be precise.

From what I understand* BR dropped a ball when they opted for 3aspect (seldom used) bi-di rather than 4 aspect and no bi-di.

I believe the bi directional wasn’t even allowed to be used for the first few years after installation. And now it rarely is unless a fright fails somewhere.

*I hope someone more knowledgeable will be along shortly!
The submission for authority to proceeed went in in May 1983 for a scheme that had been largely finalised in the latter part of 1981, having already been stripped back from first ideas of 4 aspect and then second thoughts of 3 aspect with slightly more extensive track facilities than the final version (and 50 mph crossovers instead of 40!) . It was at this very late stage in 1983 that the Market Harborough / Great Bowden re-alignment was dropped. The plans submitted involved as a basic scheme the continuation of 4 aspects to Wellingborough and then 3 aspects except for Kettering North Jn to Kilby Bridge which was to be 2 aspect, even though this would mean no future speed above 100 mph. Something actually added back in was 3 aspect throughout from Wellingborough to Loughborough. Full bi-di signalling on the 2-track sections was chosen as an add-on over the "minimum acceptable alternative of slow speed facing crossovers every 5 miles" for an extra cost of £40,000 over the cost for the simpler scheme of £445,000. Signalling was to be immunised to permit the eventual electrification of all routes. Interestingly, the argument for keeping at least one goods line at Sharnbrook was pretty well exactly the same as the argument for building the deviation a century earlier! There were to be two significant re-modellings for higher speeds, at Wellingborough for 75 instead of 65 to cost £21,000, and at Market Harborough for 90 instead of 60/75 to cost £1,614,000.
You're right about the use of the bi-di at first. The only bit which was used from the start (and was quite regularly used in ordinary service) was Leicester to Wigston. The rest was not authorised until a patrolman's lock-out had been developed, and that did indeed take two or three years to happen. After that I remember regular use of the single-line facility during engineering works and also on occasion during normal service hours to get round a failed train. Re-signalling schemes on the ECML and on the Western went in for SIMBIDS rather than the full bi-di (same speeds and same capacity on both lines) that Leicester got. (Indeed, is Leicester one of the biggest full bi-di installations on the British network?)
 

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Bi-di has been used at least once between Leicester and Wigston North junction in recent times to allow an on-time XC service to Stansted Aiport to overtake a very early HST.
 

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I’ve seen bi-di movements through Leicester quite a few times.

Particularly useful when there is disruption.
 

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Good point made, given that the criticism of the signalling was already well covered in early April, and the above few posts are just repeating the same stuff again...

I’ll make sure to run any further posts by you for approval henceforth. Please accept my apologies.
 

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Both of the lines are now connected to the North.DSCF6710.JPG
The connections to the South are being worked on now, and I was told they would be finished later today. The first train is due through at 4.40am on Monday.
 
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