DarloRich
Veteran Member
They will be, 6 months before it's crossed off
Thanks - the bit I cant work out is when the training stopped prior to the switch over
They will be, 6 months before it's crossed off
I think the clock for traction knowldge runs from when they last drove that type, not when they might have received any training.Thanks - the bit I cant work out is when the training stopped prior to the switch over
The drivetrain isn't the same. Vivarail has been clear that the prototype used the original dc motors from the LU days and the later trains use ac motors with all the variable frequency variable voltage inverters.
even in the IT industry they'll have a 95% working version for offical release, and then spend the next 6 months doing constant BIOS and firmware updates to get it properly stable.If it's anything like the IT industry the customer (TOCs in this case) will be at a fair bit of fault - in IT there is invariably pressure from customers to release things quicker, and the thing they ask us to cut (because it takes time including their own) is testing. We of course strongly advise against this, but in the end they're paying the bills.
obviously not driven to death,as I was on one of the first 230's in service(23rd april), and one of the project managers on the train was wondering why the doors hadn't been tested during acceptance.I suspect the first four or five trucks of a new design had a few bugs to iron out too. But those would have been driven to death on a test track and probably scrapped without ever earning any revenue. You can afford that if your production run will be a few thousand.
I was meaning the prototypes of a new truck design would be driven to death. The manufacturers of the 230s, like most other trains, don't have the luxury of such testing to destruction so have to iron the bugs out in passenger service.obviously not driven to death,as I was on one of the first 230's in service(23rd april), and one of the project managers on the train was wondering why the doors hadn't been tested during acceptance.
not really complaining about the train here as such, but the project manager has a point.
All of this stuff should be utterly thrashed during acceptance testing.It's supposed to be a worst case scenario that picks up faults,if they are likely to happen.
I would argue that the 230s are one of very few new fleet introductions where they actually did. They have loads of spare vehicles they can use as testbeds.I was meaning the prototypes of a new truck design would be driven to death. The manufacturers of the 230s, like most other trains, don't have the luxury of such testing to destruction so have to iron the bugs out in passenger service.
Why does it take a train 3 months - 2 years to get all the niggles out, but Volvo can pump out new truck after new truck without issue year after year? I’m sure this has been asked and expanded on countless times. But all I see is shoddy trains being commissioned in a rushed fashion and it’s the fare paying passengers that have to suffer.
obviously not driven to death,as I was on one of the first 230's in service(23rd april), and one of the project managers on the train was wondering why the doors hadn't been tested during acceptance.
In aviation, early production aircraft will have teething issues and will be sold at lower prices to the launch customers, offsetting the worse reliability, fuel burn, and capabilities of those early aircraft. I would expect that similar issues will crop up in the rail industry too.
I wonder if this week's forecasted heatwave will have any detrimental operational problems on those Class 230 units in current service this week.
Touch wood the service appears OK today... (I've jinxed it now!)
good effort - there are some crew related cancellations this evening now!
I wonder if this week's forecasted heatwave will have any detrimental operational problems on those Class 230 units in current service this week.
Almost certainly, I've seen plenty of speed restrictions in my area once it reaches 28.It's supposed to peak at 34C on Thursday in Bedford and Bletchley.
Going a bit off-topic, but is that likely to be speed restriction territory for some of the network?
good effort - there are some crew related cancellations this evening now!
Is that on the working unit? What did the noise sound like, just a power pack shutting down or anything more serious? :PSeems we just lost a power pack given the noise I just heard.
Is that on the working unit? What did the noise sound like, just a power pack shutting down or anything more serious? :P
Oh right, so they don't just leave them shut down then. That'll inspire confidence in the passengers...Sounded like a diesel engine stopping with the inevitable rattle at the end, followed by a couple of restart attempts.
The MTIN of the actual units aside, it does seem from anecdotes on here that 2 or 3 engines is about as many as they seem able to achieve at once. I wonder what sort of mileage they're getting out of each engine? That presumably is still in 3 figures at this stage. Hopefully more than 2!Was on 230005 earlier for my first try of these units - on time at the time (1653 off Bletchley to Bedford). Did seem to be sluggish...then again it's my first timr using them!
Was on 230005 earlier for my first try of these units - on time at the time (1653 off Bletchley to Bedford). Did seem to be sluggish...then again it's my first timr using them!
So I had an extended stay at Woburn Sands but still couldn't find the beach!
As is most stock that isn't air conditioned in weather like this.The 230's are disgustingly hot inside at present. Awful. This needs sorting out.
They are also really struggling on the heat with overheating engines/gensets.