SpeedbirdA350
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Exactly.Need to also take in to account fleet size. It's not fair to compare the whole of Lothian with just FSE, as the latter is much smaller.
Exactly.Need to also take in to account fleet size. It's not fair to compare the whole of Lothian with just FSE, as the latter is much smaller.
Another shot of it here on Edinburgh Live.
Unless Lothian & Wrightbus can find a spare roof for it, another potential Open Topper for someone?
Out of Intrest, I presume this was one of the former London vehicles?
Yes, 1029 was ex london
It’s related to what I’ve said previously on this thread. The standard of LCB driving in my experience is very poor. Regularly speeding, pull out of stops without looking (I have personally experienced this a lot in the last year), unable to pull into stops without blocking half the road and seem to hit the kerbs a lot. This adds weight to my view that they seem to have very poor positional awareness.
I don't think they will be buying another ex london bus to just replace this one but they might add one in another order at a later date. It's not like Lothian have ran out of buses at any depot.It also depends on how long this will be in for repair and if they can source a new roof etc..Adding the link would probably help.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/bus-roof-ripped-after-smashing-16668173
Ah, thanks @Speedbird. I wonder if it’ll be replaced with another ex London vehicle or will remain with the Lothian fleet now.
Driver was charged in this incident ,so...Think that's a bit of a stretch. Sadly, we see a number of these types of incidents every year across the UK - First Kernow are gaining a couple of Volvos as open toppers having been deroofed in Yorkshire. Clearly, these are mainly a consequence of driver error (not suggesting so in this instance), associated with unfamiliar routes and not of poor training.
Comment on this incident and any correlation to alleged driving standards is probably not compatible with the site rules
A forewarning that no one sawOn a lighter note the advert on the side does say "Save 50%"!
Driver was charged in this incident ,so...
That’s fair. I have said I was going by personal experience only. There have been a few drivers at First which I have complained about over the last couple of years who were brought back in for extra training as a result so I’m not saying they are perfect. I was just saying from my experience both as a passenger and car driver in the area.On the subject of accidents, just the day before in Fauldhouse a first bus hit LC bus o/s to o/s breaking the cab 1/4 window (the small one next to cab window) and caused significant accident damage up the o/s of I think 1042. So before crowing about spacial awareness etc have a look into that one. What I find baffling is regardless of who's fault etc why on admittadly other social media outlets people can comment with a lol or smiling face emoticon etc for the grace of god no o ne was hurt regardless of operator!!. (await the bias card shortly)
On the subject of accidents, just the day before in Fauldhouse a first bus hit LC bus o/s to o/s breaking the cab 1/4 window (the small one next to cab window) and caused significant accident damage up the o/s of I think 1042. Or hitting the scaffolding at Pumpherston?? So before crowing about spacial awareness etc have a look into that one. What I find baffling is regardless of who's fault etc why on admittadly other social media outlets people can comment with a lol or smiling face emoticon etc for the grace of god no o ne was hurt regardless of operator!!. (await the bias card shortly)
Exactly! We're not all the same in both Co's I take pride in my driving and resent broad generalisations of I've seen so and so do this etc so the must all be s***. It's not the case. However I think the facts speak for the self's in this case. When and if I get pulled by our driving standards manager, then I'll worry!!
I only go by my experience. Since Lothian Country came out to West Lothian I have had a lot more near misses in the car than I ever have before and other family members have said the same.
Also going by the last few years of news reports it’s hard to find many examples of First accidents in Scotland while Lothian feature a fair bit. I’ve also been told by someone in the industry that Lothian as a whole allegedly have a higher rate of accidents than most companies.
There is a big difference between smashing a window and taking the roof off your double deck busOn the subject of accidents, just the day before in Fauldhouse a first bus hit LC bus o/s to o/s breaking the cab 1/4 window (the small one next to cab window) and caused significant accident damage up the o/s of I think 1042. Or hitting the scaffolding at Pumpherston?? So before crowing about spacial awareness etc have a look into that one. What I find baffling is regardless of who's fault etc why on admittadly other social media outlets people can comment with a lol or smiling face emoticon etc for the grace of god no o ne was hurt regardless of operator!!. (await the bias card shortly)
Today was a good example of the "fanboy" in action, i won't name names but there was a certain "Lothian Fanboy" spamming every post of the Gemini that go deroofed demanding them to take it down. Obviously it's only a small minority of enthusiasts that are like this, but it's part of the reason as to why "Lothian enthusiasts" in particular are sometimes viewed less favourably and often seen as "snobs", likewise there's a flickr user who again i won't name but they literally refuse to name, photo or mention any bus that isn't operated by Lothian and will even go as far as to use terms such as "a n other bus operator". Shame as there's some great people with vast knowledge in the Edinburgh area, but a small group ruin it. Facebook.
It’s also quite likely that a big city operator would have more ‘accidents’ as there are more things to crash into, or more people to crash into you.Need to also take in to account fleet size. It's not fair to compare the whole of Lothian with just FSE, as the latter is much smaller.
Has to be off route for sure due to the low bridges (it's why X17 is single deck) so can only assume he was heading back to depot. That road however had signs up a good distance from the bridge saying of its height (well, did last time I went that way). It's a 12ft bridge...
The reason I say another Co is so it doesn't look like I'm beating down on first or whoever. There is no snobbery on my part in doing so (and I'm not saying you are accusing me either). I must confess I would rather there was a busses and there bits section on here as that's more my cup of tea. However there is vast knowlage and enthusiasm on here I just I'm not that into getting into the anals of our industry. Oily bits interest me more. To be honest the tit for tat nonsense is getting boring.
It’s also quite likely that a big city operator would have more ‘accidents’ as there are more things to crash into, or more people to crash into you.
These threads are quite funny, up to now everyone has been on the side of the Lothian drivers with the whole bullying issue, now apparently they are all terrible drivers crashing all the time. Make your mind up.
You're right, I don't know where my brain was!Pretty sure ive seen deckers on the x17
No, not at all, I think Lothian drivers are some of the best in the country. I was mearly saying it as you had said "these are mainly a consequence of driver error (not suggesting so in this instance),". I was pointing towards the charge re your brackets comment.So what? A presumption of guilt? A reflection on LCB driving standards in general?
It’s very unfortunate and thankfully no one has been injured but I was arguing against wider implications on LCB.
I will never understand why fanboys exist. Apple v Android. Lothian v First. Google v Bing. Apple v Banana. I don't understand it. For most who don't work in the company, we are passangers. We are the ones who pay money to them to take us from A to B. Same with fanboys of apple or android systems, money goes to a corporation and gets swallowed by them and you get a product out of it.Today was a good example of the "fanboy" in action, i won't name names but there was a certain "Lothian Fanboy" spamming every post of the Gemini that go deroofed demanding them to take it down. Obviously it's only a small minority of enthusiasts that are like this, but it's part of the reason as to why "Lothian enthusiasts" in particular are sometimes viewed less favourably and often seen as "snobs", likewise there's a flickr user who again i won't name but they literally refuse to name, photo or mention any bus that isn't operated by Lothian and will even go as far as to use terms such as "a n other bus operator". Shame as there's some great people with vast knowledge in the Edinburgh area, but a small group ruin it.
In my opinion provided no one was seriously hurt there's no issue at all posting photos of or discussing damaged vehicles, although if there was a fatality then i think you have to be much more careful. That being said even then the photos get all over media anyway.
I think the point we can all agree on here is that "accidents" happen, all companies have good and bad drivers and it's simply wrong to claim one is better than another when it comes to driving as this cannot be proven. My grandfather has been in the industry 40+ years and never had an accident even now he still does 3 days a week with a clean sheet. One bus has an accident and then suddenly 'all bus driver don't know how to drive'. I think bus drivers get unfairly generalised and criticised in the media, especially on the likes of Facebook.
You're right, I don't know where my brain was!
I will never understand why fanboys exist. Apple v Android. Lothian v First. Google v Bing. Apple v Banana. I don't understand it. For most who don't work in the company, we are passangers. We are the ones who pay money to them to take us from A to B. Same with fanboys of apple or android systems, money goes to a corporation and gets swallowed by them and you get a product out of it.
I don't know the flicr user you're talking about but it's sad that some folk have a dislike (hatrid is too hard a word to use) over one company vs another.
You're correct when you say accidents happen, just how they happen and the reasons behind why they happened is what matters more. There is often a chain of reasons to why something goes wrong.
Depends if the body is okay as some pictures show it twisted.Do you think they could use the bus for open top services like First Kernow did with First Yorkshires deroofed buses?
In this case the driver missed their turn (directly before the bridge) so fatigue/loss of concentration and so on would perhaps be the cause here as opposed to poor training.But isn't it the same with different buses, the onus is usually on the driver to know the length, height etc of your vehicle, but for instance should a bus company get a different make, model of bus and the rear overhang is slightly more than what you are used to are you taken out with a trainer first or are you just left to get on with it?
If that overhang was misjudged and caused damage to something/someone the driver would be to blame obviously but would a part lie with the company for insufficient training (I know in this case such a thing as driving a double decker under a low bridge that I would assume any double decker would have trouble getting under it is totally a different situation).