Electrification of Leeds and Bradford Forster Square to Skipton and Ilkley released the newer, bigger and more reliable 142s and 144s, which then cascaded to replace the 141s on local West Yorkshire services.Why were the 141s withdrawn so early, considering that they were built not long before the 142s?
They weren't completely life expired but needed overhaul, had BR kept them they'd have probably all had the engines and drivetrains replaced with the systems from 142s (just one unit was modified in the end).I rode on these back in the day and I seem to recall that the seats were higher than anything else and gave a lively ride. The fact we sold some to Iran rather suggests that they weren't live expired when they stopped use here. Couldn't have helped our relations with that Country either.
here we go again.Shouldn’t the question have been ‘why weren’t the class 142s binned at the same time as their close relation, the dark, draughty, slow, uncomfortable 141s?’
Shouldn’t the question have been ‘why weren’t the class 142s binned at the same time as their close relation, the dark, draughty, slow, uncomfortable 141s?’
Why were the 141s withdrawn so early, considering that they were built not long before the 142s?
Not my photo, copied from an old 141 thread. I like the way this has partially retained the WY Metro colour scheme whilst slowly decaying in Iran!
I saw a travel blog years ago where an intrepid Brit had managed to get to Tehran to ride them. They apparently still had BR notices all over the place, and WY route maps still on the glass partitions. The DMS car was the men's coach with the DMSL being for ladies.View attachment 67126
Not my photo, copied from an old 141 thread. I like the way this has partially retained the WY Metro colour scheme whilst slowly decaying in Iran!
I seem to recall the interior being pretty dark and unwelcoming but then they did replace some pretty grim stuff so were appreciated for a while. At least they knew when they were no longer welcome and fled the country
I think the WY route map has changed a bit since then, he should revisit to update it with Kirkstall Forge, Apperley Bridge and I’m sure there are a few more!I saw a travel blog years ago where an intrepid Brit had managed to get to Tehran to ride them. They apparently still had BR notices all over the place, and WY route maps still on the glass partitions. The DMS car was the men's coach with the DMSL being for ladies.
I think they'd been there a while when that photo was taken, it probably wasn't quite as faded when they were still in use!I think the WY route map has changed a bit since then, he should revisit to update it with Kirkstall Forge, Apperley Bridge and I’m sure there are a few more!
The Sun has done some serious damage to that paintwork so those maps stuck on the wall must have been good quality to survive that long.
The DMS car was the men's coach with the DMSL being for ladies.
Quite! Maybe the ladies only section didn't include the loo and the two single seats opposite? String up some bead curtains and Robert is your mother's brother!Must've been awkward if anyone wanted the 'L'...
Quite! Maybe the ladies only section didn't include the loo and the two single seats opposite? String up some bead curtains and Robert is your mother's brother!
Probably. I wish I could find that blog, it's probably lost to history though.Perhaps it was removed/locked out - they were used on suburban duties I believe so possibly didn't need the toilet.
And of course wing-mirrors making them look even more like their Leyland National ancestors!There's a couple of photos of the units on Iran on the train testing website. They seem to have lost the autonatic couplers in favour of buffers and hook/chain couplings and gained twin headlamps on the front:
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Probably. I wish I could find that blog, it's probably lost to history though.
And of course wing-mirrors making them look even more like their Leyland National ancestors!
Love the wing mirrors, could easily imagine this pulling up at a bus stop c. 1990There's a couple of photos of the units on Iran on the train testing website. They seem to have lost the autonatic couplers in favour of buffers and hook/chain couplings and gained twin headlamps on the front:
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Somehow, the Iranians have made them look better... And worse, at the same time.There's a couple of photos of the units on Iran on the train testing website. They seem to have lost the autonatic couplers in favour of buffers and hook/chain couplings and gained twin headlamps on the front:
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Somehow, the Iranians have made them look better... And worse, at the same time.
An interesting challenge for any Iranian cranks who only count the vehicle they are travelling in.The DMS car was the men's coach with the DMSL being for ladies
I saw a travel blog years ago where an intrepid Brit had managed to get to Tehran to ride them. They apparently still had BR notices all over the place, and WY route maps still on the glass partitions. The DMS car was the men's coach with the DMSL being for ladies.
I'm not sure the Iranian regime would want to claim responsibility for the 141s though!Sounds similar to the secondhand Berlin U-Bahn trains that operate on the Pyongyang Metro. The North Korean government swears blind the trains were built in North Korea, but there's plenty of reminders of their previous life to be seen, including a lot of etched graffiti on the glass.
I'm not sure the Iranian regime would want to claim responsibility for the 141s though!