theironroad
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SWR TV advert filming.
A bit off topic, but I see that a red seat 444 + Waterloo featured a fair bit in a TV programme last night...I'll try a remember what it was called in a minute lol
SWR TV advert filming.
Is that also why specifically 450111 was used for this (haven seen airtime before and has SWR branding inside and out)?
All you can say for sure is that it isn't available yet on either the NR or ORR public websites. Doesn't mean it isn't in the system, those pages are not known for their speed of updating.Do we know if the new timetable has been submitted to Network Rail yet? I thought that for large changes like this it would need to be with them by now to review, like the GWR new timetable is.
Hey, I did answer my own question before your input - no need to be snappy!If you were going to film an advert for your company would you use your new colours and branding or 10+ year old previous companies colours?
I do wonder if people actually take a moment to think these days.
All you can say for sure is that it isn't available yet on either the NR or ORR public websites. Doesn't mean it isn't in the system, those pages are not known for their speed of updating.
I've just had a look at RTT. There are a handful of extra shoulder peak services for Reading. Apart from one 30 min gap 4tph from Reading in the morning is now from first train until 1012, and from Waterloo in the afternoon/evening from 1520 until 2020. I can only see one extra PM peak service for Windsor, via Hounslow.Any news? I was hoping for further changes to the Reading/Windsor lines
Goldfish62 has answered the specific point, but the general SWR timetable appears to have few major changes from checking realtimetrains. Given the key thing required to bring in all the Portsmouth line changes is the 442s being available I don’t expect to see much at all. If they aren’t available I expect there’s also no way to do the Weymouth line and extra Portsmouth - Bournemouth trains either, as there’ll be no stock to internally cascade.Any news? I was hoping for further changes to the Reading/Windsor lines
Yes it is booked 8.450 now, was a 5.444 before May. It also runs ECS to Northam depot after terminating, so there may be sound reasons for keeping it 8 car.Noticed last Friday the 15:39 Waterloo to Brockenhurst was 8-car throughout, thus you had an 8.450 on a lightly-loaded service terminating at Brockenhurst in the height of the Waterloo rush hour.
Is this booked? (It has historically been either a 4.450 or 5.444). Doesn't seem a very efficient use of stock if so, you'd think at the moment in particular, with the 442s missing, they'd need as many units as they can to be in the London area in the peaks. This service might perhaps need 8 car as far as Basingstoke but certainly not beyond - and surely it would be better to reduce this particular service to 4-car, rather than reducing the lengths or cancelling peak services out of Waterloo.
Yes it is booked 8.450 now, was a 5.444 before May.
Noticed last Friday the 15:39 Waterloo to Brockenhurst was 8-car throughout, thus you had an 8.450 on a lightly-loaded service terminating at Brockenhurst in the height of the Waterloo rush hour.
Is this booked? (It has historically been either a 4.450 or 5.444). Doesn't seem a very efficient use of stock if so, you'd think at the moment in particular, with the 442s missing, they'd need as many units as they can to be in the London area in the peaks. This service might perhaps need 8 car as far as Basingstoke but certainly not beyond - and surely it would be better to reduce this particular service to 4-car, rather than reducing the lengths or cancelling peak services out of Waterloo.
Are there any plans to reduce the number of Godalming calls on the Portsmouth Direct Fasts and Semis?
In the evenings, Godalming calls have exacerbated the overcrowding on the Fast services and the Slows feel under-utilised by comparison.
Appreciate that removing the Godalming call on the bi-hourly fasts would simply mean that the Fast would catch up the Slow faster before Haslemere.
However, it could potentially be done with the 1815 down service (like with the 1715 down service) as it has a clear path I believe. Would reduce journey times to Haslemere and beyond by 3 minutes or so.
What I find interesting are the fast trains from Waterloo that stop at Farncombe in the evening. They are at times you wouldn't expect. 20:00 being the most obvious one, given there is a 19:45 and 20:15. I can't imagine there would be a big flux of commuters at 20:00.Godalming has always featured in the xx00 and xx30 fasts from Waterloo in the evenings and is such a mandated calling pattern in the franchise agreement - this is available on the dft website. Woking however appears to be optional
What I find interesting are the fast trains from Waterloo that stop at Farncombe in the evening. They are at times you wouldn't expect. 20:00 being the most obvious one, given there is a 19:45 and 20:15. I can't imagine there would be a big flux of commuters at 20:00.
Later on there is 21.00; 21:30; 22;00, 22:30. I appreciate there is no 21:15 or 22:15 but there is a 20:45 and 21:45 and 22:45, so you might expect some of the other four to skip Farncombe. Perhaps just running two out of the four.
It's coming from the 442s. If they're not available from December I would have there are going to be huge problems.Where is the stock planned to come from for all these additional services - seems that stock is already extremely stretched by the current timetable and having to operate without the 442s.
In addition the franchise feels understaffed altogether. There have been a very high number of cancellations in recent months due to ‘a member of train crew being unavailable’ etc.
Would have thought it will be difficult for SWR to wet lease different rolling stock due to route clearance and driver training issues?In regards to rolling stock, what options are available? Loco hauled stock with DVT/TnT, 365s... other than that there’s not a huge amount surplus yet.
Whilst I don't think it's workable, due to traction knowledge alone, having one train run has 8 or 9 might in theory allow two other trains to run as 12 car rather than 8. That would be better in theory than running three trains at 8 car lengths. I say theory because overall I don't think it's workable.Would have thought it will be difficult for SWR to wet lease different rolling stock due to route clearance and driver training issues?
Regarding loco hauled stock, presumably these would need to be diesel as I don’t think there are any third rail locos?
It would also reduce capacity quite significantly from a 12 car train as I would have thought platform lengths would only allow the locos to haul 8 or 9 carriages
Would have thought it will be difficult for SWR to wet lease different rolling stock due to route clearance and driver training issues?
Regarding loco hauled stock, presumably these would need to be diesel as I don’t think there are any third rail locos?
It would also reduce capacity quite significantly from a 12 car train as I would have thought platform lengths would only allow the locos to haul 8 or 9 carriages
Well there's all of GBRf 73/1s likely to be underused over winter, their own 73235, 73133...
No one is sure, based on posts in threads about 365s over the last few months. But I don’t think SWR are in any worse position now than in the first days after the timetable change. A handful of short forms and a couple of additional peak extra services that aren’t running. Basically managed by slowing down 450 refurbs again. A relatively minor issue compared to all those other future additional services that are probably now deferred another year, ie Dec 2020. Can only foresee minor increments in May 2020.Digressing a little (and I know this almost certainly wouldn't happen because of gauging, paperwork, training etc.), but how easy would it be to put the shoes back on 365s to use them on outer suburban work?
Seems to be a lot of fantasy going on here. Even if the stock was ready to run tomorrow , the last thing SWR need right now is to remove hundreds of guards and drivers from running trains to undertake traction training for a short term issue.
Not without a significant number of cancellations and eventually having to offer free travel at weekends to season ticket holders because of disruption.well that is correct but at the same time Scotrail managed it.