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overthewater said:
SO your saying Lothian do not have a better reputation? Really? never though I see the day lothian drive kicking in the company
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If someone said my own reputation was better than my peers I think I would take it as a compliment rather than a personal attack. It's possible you've been a little sensitive to criticism that's delivered in a slightly unclear manner.

The point being made was that Lothian Country may not have lived up to their potential with the Wester Inch route. This is probably the last chance for residents there who might have claimed their previous services were poorly used due to lower quality.
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Siemens seem to be more neutral in this thread: Wester Inch last roll of the dice is indeed LCB, if there can't do it that there's no hope for this area... Horseburgh pile of crap, people in Linlithgow were overjoyed when there lost the 31'xs to Sd travel recently. With First when people moved to the area ages their just remember what it like before using the nice cars etc.. Late running route, old buses etc.. Mud stick hence why First has had to double down on its efforts to win back the passengers conference, best it come up with is Cheap and very cheerful..

All we did (im not the only one ) was highlight Western Inch is not performing very well, that is hardly a personal attack especially when you give a reason for part of the problem.. Ie the estate is like a ghost town during day

Of course this is supposed to be the type of area which Lothian should do better as its got a better reputation. Of course how many of these new estate are actually busy, i dont mean passengers i mean actually people being around during the day? I bet many of these places are dead outside school holls.
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From what it seems, certain people have just JUMPED and taken it as lets kick in LCB, Just because.. MUD STUCKS??? People should be happy I praise Lothian for it high reputation, we should be questioning why there's issues, doesn't mean LCB is a pile crap or they stupid for trying...

I said "how many of these new estate are actually busy, i dont mean passengers i mean actually people being around during the day " thats a good Q, if most of the people are working age or in school then Who are lothian going to pick up?? I have traveled on the 287 a few times going up to Bathgate and there is very little action happening in the scheme. Heartlands is another area which is like this, but only started to be built. While Winchburgh that bigger point, alot of new housing is being built here. The road network will not be able to cope with all this traffic so A good bus service will be badly needed over the next couple of years, and will need to convince the car traffic over of Kirkilston will become gridlocked..

I disagree, if Ex1 went via Wester Inch it could have convinced people to use the service, because walk out your door, and your straight on to a coach thats it. If your driving up to the Train station why would you then jump on the Ex1? Same price near enough.
 
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overthewater said:
The road network will not be able to cope with all this traffic so A good bus service will be badly needed over the next couple of years, and will need to convince the car traffic over of Kirkilston will become gridlocked.
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That's quite a good point. Although train patronage has gone up a lot in West Lothian, it won't suit everyone. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, economic survival of west Edinburgh may depend on less private car use as development continues over the next 10 years. More people will need to use public transport or nobody will be able to get anywhere at all (including those sitting on buses stuck in the jams). This may be the growth market Lothian seek to catch rather than simply taking passengers away from First in the short term or 'running them out of town'. At the moment it's a bit like two bald men fighting over a comb. But things may change, perhaps voluntarily (in the spirit of present deregulation) or out of necessity through some kind of intervention by a public body.
Obviously there are a number of factors at play but Lothian have been quite successful in getting the public to use buses instead of cars in Edinburgh city. Some people in the city who could own cars choose not to do so because they think the bus service is very good. It's much less common in West Lothian and when questioned people will come out with various arguments about the service being poor quality or difficult to use - they'll say if the buses were more like Edinburgh they'd be happy to use them. That's often just rubbish and in the case of Wester Inch persuading residents out of their cars is clearly a tough task, perhaps requiring a stick rather than a carrot.
 
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I don’t know about West Lothian as a whole, but in Linlithgow, Lothian is considered light years ahead of First. First has a terrible reputation here.
 
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What tiny West Lothian towns have limited bus services or none at all? and are nowhere near the First or LCB operating area! Just a random thought I had
 
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TheEastCoaster said:
What tiny West Lothian towns have limited bus services or none at all? and are nowhere near the First or LCB operating area! Just a random thought I had
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Newton only has two buses a day, on the Livingston to Western General route 16.
 
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There have addition service on top of that service 23A which operate two AM journeys from Linlithgow to S Queensferry.

On top of that Newton has Taxibus service.
 
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Old 631 was busy at peak times but not so much off peak ( IE just like the current X1) It got pulled years ago.. WLC has never tried to put back in the peak time services.
 
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overthewater said:
There have addition service on top of that service 23A which operate two AM journeys from Linlithgow to S Queensferry.

On top of that Newton has Taxibus service.
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Is the 23A a proper bus service that is guaranteed to run even when empty, or is it just a taxi?
 
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I dread to say this but it was in deed LCB, and there are two pic floating around on SM. It was not a bad fire just the engine and everyone is safe.
 
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I don't believe there are copyrighted but due to previous issues, someone else will have to post them...
 
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A330Alex said:
Apparently it was 181 which isn't great. Hopefully X38 isn't impacted.
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Passengers may not notice if the X38 was affected at its launch date. Although there's a Word document with timing points that you can download, I don't think there's any leaflet providing information on fares, times, tickets/passes or routes yet.
 
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ScotRail158725 said:
theres 10 of them coming across so wont be impacted. can use some other spares from the current stuff anyway
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What is the PVR on the X38? I'm too lazy to work it out for myself, but I imagine it's only nine that are needed, so maybe they can afford to lose one.

Other spares would need to be low height single deck of course, because double deckers can't be deployed on that route. Well, they could but wouldn't last beyond Linlithgow!
 
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What is the PVR on the X38? I'm too lazy to work it out for myself, but I imagine it's only nine that are needed, so maybe they can afford to lose one.

Other spares would need to be low height single deck of course, because double deckers can't be deployed on that route. Well, they could but wouldn't last beyond Linlithgow!
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they could use the remaining 9 of 176-185 and 1029 :lol:
 
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Unlucky but again, there's plenty of single decks that can be used, including loans from Lothian if needed.
 
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Bus9120UK said:
Yes but they did say the vehicles used will be Euro 6 so unlikely another LCB single decker.
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Those particular B7RLEs are Euro 5, not Euro 6 as the B7RLE was never offered as a Euro 6 vehicle. So their promise of Euro 6 vehicle is a lie anyway.
 
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