Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

[Grumpy Git]

There is no doubt the 195's are a massive upgrade on the 15x's, but boy-o-boy it takes forever to unlock the doors.

A Merseyrail train would be on its way by the time a 195 has unlocked.

 

[Flyingsprinter]

There is no doubt the 195's are a massive upgrade on the 15x's

I much prefer a 158. The 195s are simply embarrassing for a brand new mu. The only way you could say they are ok is if you’re deaf and like being thrown about every time the train goes over a bit of track that is perfectly smooth.

 

[Grumpy Git]

I much prefer a 158. The 195s are simply embarrassing for a brand new mu. The only way you could say they are ok is if you’re deaf and like being thrown about every time the train goes over a bit of track that is perfectly smooth.

OK, I agree with you regarding a 158. I was referring to the 150, 153 & 156. Having said that on the airport run with luggage, a 195 is easier to use than a 158.

 

[PomWombat]

The only way you could say they are ok is if ...

Once you are tall enough, there becomes just one single measure as to whether a train is ok ... which is whether your knees fit in. Ride, comfort, windows - all mean nothing if you feel like a knife is stuck into your knee for an hour, or your contortions give you a bad back for the rest of the day.

I'm just too tall to fit in 170 airline seats comfortably, but only just. Bays are good, with a little footsie, but all other airlines are a no-go. A 158 bay is only ok once it has had the new skinny seat cushions fitted. 156, 155, 153 can be really awkward, and come with few bays anyway. Same with all the pacers.

Special hatred goes to the 150s, where one memorable journey had my knee less than 2" from someone's crotch. Oh, the warmth I could feel! And it was rather uncomfortable staying tense all journey, hoping that the driver didn't brake sharply.

One day I'll try the 195, but they're said to be ok on legroom, so likely already have my vote.

It *is* tedious having this single measure. It limits my options on boarding a train immediately (except an Azuma, or kin), and I have to take a single-minded aim at particular seats, and rush. Unfair, I know, but I can get annoyed at short people who have chosen bay seats!

 

[a_c_skinner]

I'm not a very regular user but I think I'm not the only person who has formed the impression that some units clunk and ride badly and some don't. Am I kidding myself?

 

[ohgoditsjames]

I'm not a very regular user but I think I'm not the only person who has formed the impression that some units clunk and ride badly and some don't. Am I kidding myself?

Was on a 195 from Meadowhall to Leeds and didn't notice it clunking about, on the other hand the thing I did notice were the amount of people that were stood up because the 2 car 195's aren't suitable. Then again it doesn't take a genius to work that out!

 

[a_c_skinner]

With apologies for being on topic but so repetitive: Northern's big problem, like TPE and XC is capacity. There are EMUs idle, but not DMUs. (More 769s anyone?) New stock has been (almost) promised. A deal of TPE and XC problems round Manchester and Leeds would be improved by enough capacity on Northern and some astute scheduling or even ticketing to tempt people onto Northern.

 

[ic31420]

I rarely use a train outside of northern / tpe empires.

Whilst the 195s and 331s could be better they're far from awful and a damn site better than the Pacers and the 150s/319s. To suggest they're worse than Pacers is absurd.

I predominantly ride them in good track but can't say the brakes or ride cause me any issue. I rarely sir but then that's usually because I choose to stand or have a bike with me.

My main criticism is there is no green/blue stripe for the bike bit. The door opening could be faster. What is the mechanism of delay?

 

[Woolly]

Once you are tall enough, there becomes just one single measure as to whether a train is ok ... which is whether your knees fit in. Ride, comfort, windows - all mean nothing if you feel like a knife is stuck into your knee for an hour, or your contortions give you a bad back for the rest of the day.

I'm just too tall to fit in 170 airline seats comfortably, but only just. Bays are good, with a little footsie, but all other airlines are a no-go. A 158 bay is only ok once it has had the new skinny seat cushions fitted. 156, 155, 153 can be really awkward, and come with few bays anyway. Same with all the pacers.

I sympathise with you over legroom.
This is the ONLY positive thing about Azumas, and all the new TPE Nova stock. Plenty of legroom there.

 

[warwickshire]

Found out tonight Friday the 06 March 2020.
Whilst travelling on the 1814 Sheffield to Manchester Piccadilly. From rail user groups. And local authorities

There will be one 195 diagram Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield. From may and 3 diagramms from December. may one will take place when the stn platform works have been completed stations hope valley line and also when 195 is on Sheffield hope valley line it will be a 3 car. Off which has took place in consultation with various authorities and local rail users. Also not including others for rose Hill and new Mills Central. So can see another thread coming on hope valley 150 156 olr northern final sightings in the not two distant future.

 

[Killingworth]

Found out tonight Friday the 06 March 2020.
Whilst travelling on the 1814 Sheffield to Manchester Piccadilly. From rail user groups. And local authorities

There will be one 195 diagram Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield. From may and 3 diagramms from December. may one will take place when the stn platform works have been completed stations hope valley line and also when 195 is on Sheffield hope valley line it will be a 3 car. Off which has took place in consultation with various authorities and local rail users. Also not including others for rose Hill and new Mills Central. So can see another thread coming on hope valley 150 156 olr northern final sightings in the not two distant future.

Yes, this brings a mild issue at Sheffield where the Hope Valley Platform 2c has just had the track relaid and the collapsing ancient buffer stops smartly repaired. A 2 car 195 would be a tight fit, but a 3 car won't go. They'll probably use 1a or 7. Replacing the two evening diagrams currently operated by a 150/142 combination has to be more than a 2 car 195.

Detailed deployments of the 195 and other fleets will change with experience as stock comes available. User groups have been aware for several months of the intention to start operating some 195s from May.

The station platform extention works are almost complete and should be by the end of this month. That shouldn't delay introduction unless doubled up 2 car 195 were operated - which might happen in the evenings.

 

[warwickshire]

Yes, this brings a mild issue at Sheffield where the Hope Valley Platform 2c has just had the track relaid and the collapsing ancient buffer stops smartly repaired. A 2 car 195 would be a tight fit, but a 3 car won't go. They'll probably use 1a or 7. Replacing the two evening diagrams currently operated by a 150/142 combination has to be more than a 2 car 195.

Detailed deployments of the 195 and other fleets will change with experience as stock comes available. User groups have been aware for several months of the intention to start operating some 195s from May.

The station platform extention works are almost complete and should be by the end of this month. That shouldn't delay introduction unless doubled up 2 car 195 were operated - which might happen in the evenings.

Yes exactly what I was told. However they did say don't be surprised iff a two car 195 turns up. Suspect and as said 1649 or 1749 Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield will be one off them. So all dramatic change for the hope valley on agenda in Time to come ,out off the old in with the new. Today Friday 06 march should be 142s, and could be by December 2020 timetable change due to more195. On the hope valley ie 150, could even be on borrowed time.

 

[Halish Railway]

There’s a 195 operating the 11:18 Leeds to York stopping train.

 

[Kieran1990]

Have they had a jolly round the Harrogate loop yet? Or are they not cleared?

 

[1D53]

There’s a 195 operating the 11:18 Leeds to York stopping train.

These are booked now, odd hours from Leeds, even hours from York currently. Some also on a Sunday.

Have they had a jolly round the Harrogate loop yet? Or are they not cleared?

Not been round Harrogate yet.

 

[warwickshire]

These are booked now, odd hours from Leeds, even hours from York currently. Some also on a


Not been round Harrogate yet.

These are booked now, odd hours from Leeds, even hours from York currently. Some also on a Sunday.



Not been round Harrogate yet.

Having difficulty posting this correctly but when did the services York to Leeds 195 booked work start
Was it February 14th when the latest batch off 195 came in

 

[1D53]

They started on the SuX Stoppers on the 14th, they've had booked Sunday work since December.

 

[Roger B]

Which units have still to be delivered and which have yet to enter service. When is it expected that all units will be in service? Thanks

 

[John C]

195004 is currently operating the 08:27 Sheffield to Leeds via Bolton upon Dearne stopper which I thought was unusual, however from Leeds it forms the 1009 Leeds to Nottingham.

 

[ed1971]

Once you are tall enough, there becomes just one single measure as to whether a train is ok ... which is whether your knees fit in. Ride, comfort, windows - all mean nothing if you feel like a knife is stuck into your knee for an hour, or your contortions give you a bad back for the rest of the day.

I'm just too tall to fit in 170 airline seats comfortably, but only just. Bays are good, with a little footsie, but all other airlines are a no-go. A 158 bay is only ok once it has had the new skinny seat cushions fitted. 156, 155, 153 can be really awkward, and come with few bays anyway. Same with all the pacers.

Special hatred goes to the 150s, where one memorable journey had my knee less than 2" from someone's crotch. Oh, the warmth I could feel! And it was rather uncomfortable staying tense all journey, hoping that the driver didn't brake sharply.

One day I'll try the 195, but they're said to be ok on legroom, so likely already have my vote.

It *is* tedious having this single measure. It limits my options on boarding a train immediately (except an Azuma, or kin), and I have to take a single-minded aim at particular seats, and rush. Unfair, I know, but I can get annoyed at short people who have chosen bay seats!

I have the same issues as you; I am 6ft1". How Tall are you? I have found the legroom on 195s and 331s okay. Some of the refurbished 158s have the 195 seats.

 

[superkev]

Today at Huddersfield presumably trainers were 195 018 and 129
K

 

[Woolly]

195110 and 128 at York today. Also 195003.
195108 on training runs all day today between Doncaster and York (plat3).

 

[1D53]

195004 is currently operating the 08:27 Sheffield to Leeds via Bolton upon Dearne stopper which I thought was unusual, however from Leeds it forms the 1009 Leeds to Nottingham.

This is booked, there are also a couple southbound on weekday evenings.

 

[PomWombat]

I have the same issues as you; I am 6ft1". How Tall are you? I have found the legroom on 195s and 331s okay. Some of the refurbished 158s have the 195 seats.

6ft2", so more the high side of normal, I tend to think.

 

[John C]

This is booked, there are also a couple southbound on weekday evenings.

Thanks, I assumed it was after checking it’s next working was to Nottingham.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Just seen 195109 leaving Halifax on a service to Manchester Victoria... the destination screens were "NOT IN SERVICE".

 

[SteveM70]

A first today......the “this train is too long for the platform” announcement on the approach to Manchester Victoria

 

[thejuggler]

I am aware this has been mentioned before, but on a rush hour service this morning I had no option than to stand in the middle of the vestibule - having nothing to hold on to is a serious omission in the design of the units. The fierce braking system doesn't help.

Will the new Northern management now pick up on such issues and look at implementing a solution?

Since I posted this I raised the issue of no grab handles in the vestibule directly with Northern.

Once again their response in no way addresses what I was raising!

They have treat it as an 'overcrowded service' complaint, when it isn't, and provided a few hundred words about new trains inheriting Pacers blah, blah blah. Nothing addressing the issue of no grab handles in vestibules.

The complaints department is a waste of space.

 

[QQQ]

Yes, this brings a mild issue at Sheffield where the Hope Valley Platform 2c has just had the track relaid and the collapsing ancient buffer stops smartly repaired. A 2 car 195 would be a tight fit, but a 3 car won't go. They'll probably use 1a or 7. Replacing the two evening diagrams currently operated by a 150/142 combination has to be more than a 2 car 195.

Detailed deployments of the 195 and other fleets will change with experience as stock comes available. User groups have been aware for several months of the intention to start operating some 195s from May.

The station platform extention works are almost complete and should be by the end of this month. That shouldn't delay introduction unless doubled up 2 car 195 were operated - which might happen in the evenings.

According to the data currently on Real Time Trains, most of the Hope Valley stoppers are down to use platforms other than 2C at Sheffield from May. 2C gets four departures on weekdays, only one on Saturdays and none at all on Sundays.

 

[Fisherman80]

I've been on about 7 different 195s,and I can honestly say I absolutely hate them. I'm onboard a Blackpool to York service as far as Bradford. Wi fi not working,the only onboard toilet isn't working,and with this being my first ride on a 195 from Blackpool to Bradford,the ride is a joke.
I know that new stock have to have a shakedown period to identify any glitches or general faults,but these things are a joke.
Who on earth thought it would be a good idea to have 1 toilet for a 3 coach train,which a passenger could be onboard for nearly 3 hours.