If you could create any direct services which currently don’t run which would you choose?

[Harvey B]

Ikley to Skipton with the calling pattern
Ilkley - Burley in Wharfedale - Guiseley - Baildon (optional) - Shipley - Bingley - Keighley - Steeton and Silsden (optional) - Cononley (optional) - Skipton

 

[tetudo boy]

NOTE: I've already posted this on another thread and have only discovered this thread and i have not got the chance to delete the original post from the other thread. THIS IS NOT A SPAM!

My ideas: Part 1/? (Yes, there are possibly multiple parts, sorry)

A few new stations:

1. Liverpool John Lennon Airport Station: Act's as an airport station, obvious in it's name. It's connected by a spur line connecting Liverpool South Parkway, Warrington Line, The line towards Crewe, and another line connecting Lea Green (Possibly with an intermediate station?)
2. St Helens Queen Street Interchange Station: Built on the site of Earlstown Station, this station act's as a major interchange for other railways (a bit like Crewe or Preston stations). Transfers at this station work like an Airport but without Airport-Like security and shuttle buses. Travelator's are provided for quick and easy access between platforms and exits and a shopping area including a large waiting area is provided (with a large destination board!).

And now for the routes:

1. John Lennon Airport - St Helens Queen Street - Wigan North Western - Preston - Lancaster - Oxenholme/Penrith - Carlisle - Glasgow/Edinburgh
2. John Lennon Airport - St Helens Queen Street - Manchester Piccadilly - Stockport - Sheffield - Chesterfield - Derby - East Midlands Parkway - Loughbrough - Leicester - Melton Mowbray - Oakham - Stamford - Peterborough - March - Ely - Cambridge -Stanstead Airport
   
3. Liverpool Lime Street - Edge hill - Mossley Hill - West Allerton - Liverpool South Parkway - John Lennon Airport
4. Liverpool Lime Street - St Helens Queen Street - Manchester Piccadilly (Express Shuttle)
5. Birmingham New Street - Birmingham International - Coventry - Rugby - Milton Keynes Central - Watford Junction - London Euston (Service is used to reduce the time between Birmingham and London on LNWR services. Does a through service to Liverpool as usual for every LNWR regional service.)
6. A new line connecting Liverpool Lime Street with Liverpool James street for trains to go to the Wirral (but not just yet! I will explain that in the next part!).

And I guess that concludes my ideas!

 

[frodshamfella]

Chester to

Liverpool to Bolton via Kirkby & Wigan.
Liverpool to Preston via Ormskirk.

Using tri-modes.

And bring the Buscough curves back into use .

 

[Railwaysceptic]

Barking - Stratford
I know there are capacity issues through Woodgrange Pk but it's a real hole in the network between two major centres. Currently Sats only and at odd times.
Willesden Junction HL - Ealing Broadway. Ealing is a bugger to get to from North London and this would help access to Heathrow.
Clapham Junction - Brixton - Peckham - Dalston Get that station at Brixton slung up on the viaduct. Such an omission.
East Croydon - Crystal Palace. Once a proposed tram extension before Boris chopped it.

When C2C trains are routed into Liverpool Street on some weekends, they are very well patronised between Stratford and Barking, both of which are huge shopping and populations centres.

Willesden to Ealing Broadway is an interesting idea but, quite apart from line capacity issues, where would such trains begin and end?

I too would love new high level platforms at Brixton but apparently it would be mega difficult and cost billions. A great shame as Brixton to Clapham Junction and Brixton to Denmark Hill and Canada Water would generate huge traffic flows.

I'm sure there already are trains running between East Croydon and Crystal Palace. I've done the journey myself.

 

[Whistler40145]

Barking to Heathrow Airport/Reading via West Hampstead Thameslink

 

[tetudo boy]

My ideas: Part 2

Okay, Let's start with the new stations/lines:

1. Liverpool Central Line: Connect's Liverpool Lime Street with James Street Station using a 1.3 km tunnel. The line is Privately owned by Liverpool Tōzai Rapid Railway Business (strange name but that's all I could think of), which is a half-British/half-Japanese company.
2. Liverpool Metro Oliver-North Line(Take a good guess why it's named that ): Serves the existing Canada Dock Line which includes a new line between Bank Hall and Edge Lane via Bramley-Moore and Lime Street (A bit like the 2017 version of Kayla Bibby's Sergeant Pepper Line, but covers a bit more of the docks and uses a bit of the Liverpool Overhead Railway). The previous stations before the original passenger services are present with a few new stations at County Road, Kirkdale and Bank hall. There will be several Junctions along the line which lead to existing lines including the existing junction near Wavertree Technology Park.
3. Liverpool Metro NorthEast Line: Another Subway line Between Liverpool Lime Street and Tower Hill via Norris Green. An alternative route for the 14A bus route as it runs along the same route.

Here's the routes!

1. New Brighton/Chester - John Lennon Airport (All stops. Via Central Line.)
2. Chester - Hooton - Birkenhead Central - James Street - Liverpool Lime Street - St Helens Queen Street - Manchester Piccadily - Sheffield - Meadowhall/Rotherham Central (Alternating) - Doncaster - Scunthorpe - Barnetby (Limited Service) - Grimsby Town - Cleethorpes

Oh god, I feel like putting all of these ideas into one thread!

 

[route101]

Glasgow to Leeds via Settle .

 

[talltim]

Nottingham-Leeds

 

[TheWalrus]

London Paddington to Shrewsbury via Bristol Parkway and the Marches.

 

[Harvey B]

Nottingham-Leeds

Thats already a service isn't it

 

[Harvey B]

Glasgow to Leeds via Settle .

Would this be a northern service or would it bring a brand new operatorsuch as TPE or Avanti to the line

 

[Railwaysceptic]

London Paddington to Shrewsbury via Bristol Parkway and the Marches.

Too bad that's no longer possible via Gloucester and Ross-On-Wye.

 

[The Ham]

The we things are going how long will it be until someone suggests London/Manchester!?!?

 

[TheWalrus]

Too bad that's no longer possible via Gloucester and Ross-On-Wye.

Maybe but it gives Cwmbran, Abergavenny, Leominster, Ludlow, Craven Arms and Church Stretton direct services to London, a faster service from Hereford and an alternative route from Shrewsbury.

 

[Railwaysceptic]

Maybe but it gives Cwmbran, Abergavenny, Leominster, Ludlow, Craven Arms and Church Stretton direct services to London, a faster service from Hereford and an alternative route from Shrewsbury.

Yes, but routing via Gloucester and Ross-on-Wye would have meant going via Hereford, Leominster, Ludlow and Church Stretton anyway. Only Cwmbran and Abergavenny miss out and they have the possibility of changing at Newport for London trains.

 

[TheWalrus]

Yes, but routing via Gloucester and Ross-on-Wye would have meant going via Hereford, Leominster, Ludlow and Church Stretton anyway. Only Cwmbran and Abergavenny miss out and they have the possibility of changing at Newport for London trains.

Ah ok, maybe would have made more sense routing it that way.

 

[Railwaysceptic]

Ah ok, maybe would have made more sense routing it that way.

I don't know if you're already familiar with this YouTube video -

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but it shows that Hereford to Shrewsbury is a well-laid out railway with potential for a higher line speed. The video is Part 1 only. Parts 2 & 3 are also available.

 

[TheWalrus]

I don't know if you're already familiar with this YouTube video -

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but it shows that Hereford to Shrewsbury is a well-laid out railway with potential for a higher line speed. The video is Part 1 only. Parts 2 & 3 are also available.

I’ve not seen this before. I may watch this after work later. Thank you

 

[Clansman]

Bi-hourly direct return services between Carlisle and Stirling via Motherwell, with 2 extensions to Aberdeen and 2 to Inverness.

Reduce transfers through Glasgow and Edinburgh, and to give Lockerbie, Motherwell, and Cumbernauld direct links with the north, and reduced journey times for communities around Dumfriesshire.

 

[route101]

Bi-hourly direct return services between Carlisle and Stirling via Motherwell, with 2 extensions to Aberdeen and 2 to Inverness.

Reduce transfers through Glasgow and Edinburgh, and to give Lockerbie, Motherwell, and Cumbernauld direct links with the north, and reduced journey times for communities around Dumfriesshire.

I often wonder how well used these will be ? Do people north of the Central Belt travel to England often? Seems more people use Edinburgh services and change to go North>

 

[route101]

Would this be a northern service or would it bring a brand new operatorsuch as TPE or Avanti to the line

Northern would be fine , though what stock?

TPE would be a shout too , has to go via Lockerbie

 

[Harvey B]

Northern would be fine , though what stock?

TPE would be a shout too , has to go via Lockerbie

Either 195s or whatever new stock they get

 

[Halifaxlad]

Sheffield - Blackpool via Todmorden

 

[Iskra]

Sheffield - Blackpool via Todmorden

That can be easily achieved with just one change at Leeds. But it's probably faster to go via Manchester anyway.

 

[Clansman]

I often wonder how well used these will be ? Do people north of the Central Belt travel to England often? Seems more people use Edinburgh services and change to go North>

Hooking up Lockerbie, Motherwell, and Cumbernauld with the central belt and the north within an hour's journey, and reducing Dumfriesshire commuting times, to me would show such a service to be viable before you've had a chance to factor in potential cross border commuters.

I do wonder how much the cross Glasgow transfer puts people off to the point where they change in Edinburgh, or use Edinburgh as the 'lesser evil' (as my grandparents used to say). If timings were able to reduce the train to train transfer time to cross border services at Carlisle from the 20 minutes the average person would usually need to comfortably make their way from Queen Street to Central, then surely that journey time saving and hassle reduction would entice a few more people to use a Glasgow avoiding WCML service.

It's quite an untapped at market as far as demand goes. Only Virgin and latterly 'Grand Union' have really seen potential in it to have actually instigated the process to capitalise on its potential. Though if that somehow succeeds, I doubt that using Stirling as the northern terminus would maximise the potential usage that you could get from say extending one or two further north.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Sheffield - Blackpool via Todmorden

What route would you use to get to Tod? If you're going via Wakefield or Huddersfield, then Brighouse then you're also going via Victoria. Did you mean to run via Copy Pit? Because if you're coming from the Yorkshire side you'd turn off before Todmorden.

 

[SteveyBee131]

Sheffield - Blackpool via Todmorden

What route would you use to get to Tod? If you're going via Wakefield or Huddersfield, then Brighouse then you're also going via Victoria. Did you mean to run via Copy Pit? Because if you're coming from the Yorkshire side you'd turn off before Todmorden.

My first thought was Sheffield, Barnsley, Penistone, Huddersfield, Brighouse, Hebden Bridge, Todmorden etc.

It's also not inconceivable to go Sheffield, Barnsley, Wakefield Kirkgate, Mirfield, Brighouse then same.

Perhaps Halifaxlad could elaborate on his ideas...

 

[61653 HTAFC]

My first thought was Sheffield, Barnsley, Penistone, Huddersfield, Brighouse, Hebden Bridge, Todmorden etc.

It's also not inconceivable to go Sheffield, Barnsley, Wakefield Kirkgate, Mirfield, Brighouse then same.

Perhaps Halifaxlad could elaborate on his ideas...

That's what was confusing me... if you go that way and still serve Todmorden you have to go via Manchester Victoria. Avoiding Manchester also avoids Todmorden unless you reverse there.

 

[Whistler40145]

That's what was confusing me... if you go that way and still serve Todmorden you have to go via Manchester Victoria. Avoiding Manchester also avoids Todmorden unless you reverse there.

I was puzzled by this too, especially as the line from Hebden Bridge to Preston is hardly fast and it’s probably quicker to travel via Manchester Victoria and Huddersfield

 

[Whistler40145]

Manchester Piccadilly to Nottingham via Stoke on Trent and Uttoxeter ovoiding Derby by using the Stenson to Sheet Stores Jn freight line