If you could create any direct services which currently don’t run which would you choose?

[SteveyBee131]

Ah, I see. It makes sense now

 

[tetudo boy]

My ideas: Part 2

Okay, Let's start with the new stations/lines:

1. Liverpool Central Line: Connect's Liverpool Lime Street with James Street Station using a 1.3 km tunnel. The line is Privately owned by Liverpool Tōzai Rapid Railway Business (strange name but that's all I could think of), which is a half-British/half-Japanese company.
2. Liverpool Metro Oliver-North Line(Take a good guess why it's named that ): Serves the existing Canada Dock Line which includes a new line between Bank Hall and Edge Lane via Bramley-Moore and Lime Street (A bit like the 2017 version of Kayla Bibby's Sergeant Pepper Line, but covers a bit more of the docks and uses a bit of the Liverpool Overhead Railway). The previous stations before the original passenger services are present with a few new stations at County Road, Kirkdale and Bank hall. There will be several Junctions along the line which lead to existing lines including the existing junction near Wavertree Technology Park.
3. Liverpool Metro NorthEast Line: Another Subway line Between Liverpool Lime Street and Tower Hill via Norris Green. An alternative route for the 14A bus route as it runs along the same route.

Here's the routes!

1. New Brighton/Chester - John Lennon Airport (All stops. Via Central Line.)
2. Chester - Hooton - Birkenhead Central - James Street - Liverpool Lime Street - St Helens Queen Street - Manchester Piccadily - Sheffield - Meadowhall/Rotherham Central (Alternating) - Doncaster - Scunthorpe - Barnetby (Limited Service) - Grimsby Town - Cleethorpes

Oh god, I feel like putting all of these ideas into one thread!

GOOD NEWS! I did put this into a thread! You can find it at: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...c-new-services-stations-across-the-uk.202539/
Thanks!

 

[Halifaxlad]

The idea behind a new Sheffield - Blackpool service that could initially run via Barnsley & Huddersfield but later via a reinstated Horbury West Curve, bypassing Huddersfield is to provide better cross pennine connections from South Yorkshire to West Lancashire via West Yorkshire & East Lancashire. Also freeing up some capacity at Sheffield Midland!

 

[tbtc]

South Monmouthshire - Bristol

Best suggestion of the past hundred - that'd get my vote - there's surely some demand from (e.g.) Chepstow for a Bristol service - same could be said of stations on the Shrewsbury/ Hereford/ Abergavenny line too - sadly I can't see it happening but it looks like a suggestion worth making IMHO

 

[Glenn1969]

Could the Sheffield-Blackpool service run via Thornhill, Mirfield and Calder Valley?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Could the Sheffield-Blackpool service run via Thornhill, Mirfield and Calder Valley?

Without reopening the Horbury curve, you'd have to either reverse at Wakefield Kirkgate or run via Moorthorpe and Hare Park.

 

[backontrack]

From another thread:

Interestingly, a route via HS1, Southfleet and Swanley to Herne Hill, then via either Thameslink and Finsbury Park or Brixton, Wandsworth, Battersea and Kensington Olympia, seems to be the only way you can get directly from the Channel Tunnel to the WCML and ECML...

Make of that what you will.

1TPD Dover Priory – Glasgow Central
(Dover Priory, Folkestone Central, Ashford International, Bromley South, Kensington Olympia, Watford Junction, Crewe, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme Lake District, Penrith North Lakes, Carlisle, Glasgow Central)

1TPD Margate – Inverness
(Margate, Broadstairs, Ramsgate, Canterbury West, Ashford International, Bromley South, London Blackfriars (pick up only), London St Pancras (pick up only), York, Darlington, Newcastle Central, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Edinburgh Waverley, Haymarket, Stirling, Perth, Pitlochry, Kingussie, Aviemore, Inverness)

 

[backontrack]

Best suggestion of the past hundred - that'd get my vote - there's surely some demand from (e.g.) Chepstow for a Bristol service - same could be said of stations on the Shrewsbury/ Hereford/ Abergavenny line too - sadly I can't see it happening but it looks like a suggestion worth making IMHO

Through Gloucester and south to Bristol I'm guessing?

 

[Iskra]

From another thread:


1TPD Dover Priory – Glasgow Central
(Dover Priory, Folkestone Central, Ashford International, Bromley South, Kensington Olympia, Watford Junction, Crewe, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme Lake District, Penrith North Lakes, Glasgow Central)

1TPD Margate – Inverness
(Margate, Broadstairs, Ramsgate, Canterbury West, Ashford International, Bromley South, London Blackfriars (pick up only), London St Pancras (pick up only), York, Darlington, Newcastle Central, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Edinburgh Waverley, Haymarket, Stirling, Perth, Pitlochry, Kingussie, Aviemore, Inverness)

Top train should call at Carlisle too, everything else does!

I think your second service should run via the WCML too. Surely the ECML is very easy from Kent using the Javelin services then a very simple walking interchange at Kings Cross, it doesn’t get much easier than that in terms of changing stations.

Not that either service really has any chance at all of coming to fruition.

 

[Sad Sprinter]

Well if we're talking about financing and building a Victorian railway, probably a railway from London to via Northampton to Leicester to meet with the Midland Counties.

 

[backontrack]

Top train should call at Carlisle too, everything else does!

I think your second service should run via the WCML too. Surely the ECML is very easy from Kent using the Javelin services then a very simple walking interchange at Kings Cross, it doesn’t get much easier than that in terms of changing stations.

Not that either service really has any chance at all of coming to fruition.

Oops, I accidentally forgot Carlisle, cheers! Meant to put it there.

The idea's kind of that there's one WCML and one ECML service. I just kind of like the idea lmao

 

[Glenn1969]

Bradford to the West Highlands

1 tpd both ways
Bradford. Halifax, Hebden Bridge, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Edinburgh, Glasgow QS, Dumbarton C, Helensburgh, Crianlarich, Tulloch, Fort William, Glenfinnan, Mallaig

Not sure how you can get from Lockerbie to the WHL without going via Edinburgh and know this one is very crayonista

 

[Voyager lad]

Bradford to the West Highlands

1 tpd both ways
Bradford. Halifax, Hebden Bridge, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Edinburgh, Glasgow QS, Dumbarton C, Helensburgh, Crianlarich, Tulloch, Fort William, Glenfinnan, Mallaig

Not sure how you can get from Lockerbie to the WHL without going via Edinburgh and know this one is very crayonista

To get from Lockerbie to the WHL, you’d follow the WCML as far as Rutherglen, then through Dalmarnock etc to Glasgow Central Low Level, continue out through Anderston to Partick and then either via Scotstounhill or via Anniesland to Dalmuir, and then as usual to the WHL.

I don’t really think there is a market for this kind of service, the only way it could work would be as a Preston or maybe Manchester (if pathing allowed) to Fort William, with maybe extensions on summer Saturday’s to Mallaig and to/ from Bradford.

After all, the quickest way from Bradford - Mallaig would be Bradford FS - Shipley - Carlisle - Glasgow - Dalmuir - Mallaig, and the proposed route via Blackburn and Preston would probably take at least an hour or two more.

 

[Esker-pades]

Bradford to the West Highlands

1 tpd both ways
Bradford. Halifax, Hebden Bridge, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Edinburgh, Glasgow QS, Dumbarton C, Helensburgh, Crianlarich, Tulloch, Fort William, Glenfinnan, Mallaig

Not sure how you can get from Lockerbie to the WHL without going via Edinburgh and know this one is very crayonista

There are various ways.

The one suggested above via the Argyle Line.

Turn north at Motherwell, pass Mossend and Coatbridge, turn west at Gartsherrie South Junction to get onto the Cumbernauld Line, cross Cowlairs Junction, then the normal route via Maryhill and Singer to Dalmuir and onto the WHL.

 

[PeterC]

Best suggestion of the past hundred - that'd get my vote - there's surely some demand from (e.g.) Chepstow for a Bristol service - same could be said of stations on the Shrewsbury/ Hereford/ Abergavenny line too - sadly I can't see it happening but it looks like a suggestion worth making IMHO

Chepstow - Bristol would require reversal at Severn Tunnel Junction. I don't know what services from there should be like now (without CV19 adjustments) but park and ride seems a better option than faffing around with reversals. A Bristol service from, at least, Abergavenny, was one which came out of my crayon box decades ago. With the increase in commuting over the Severn crossings that is probably one where crayons could be replaced with coloured pencils.

 

[EllieAquitrain]

Chepstow - Bristol would require reversal at Severn Tunnel Junction. I don't know what services from there should be like now (without CV19 adjustments) but park and ride seems a better option than faffing around with reversals. A Bristol service from, at least, Abergavenny, was one which came out of my crayon box decades ago. With the increase in commuting over the Severn crossings that is probably one where crayons could be replaced with coloured pencils.

You could go via Gloucester. Long way round, I know, but this way Lydney also gets a direct service and you boost frequency between Gloucester and Bristol (the few times I've been that way trains have been packed). How far west would there be scope to start this service so it could also serve Severn Tunnel Junction enabling interchange onto the mainline? Newport? Would it be worth/is there capacity for extending to Cardiff?

 

[Nottingham59]

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but I'd vote for an hourly service from Nottingham to Manchester Piccadilly, direct i.e. missing out Sheffield, but calling at Chesterfield and Stockport. This would shave 20-25 minutes off the current service.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but I'd vote for an hourly service from Nottingham to Manchester Piccadilly, direct i.e. missing out Sheffield, but calling at Chesterfield and Stockport. This would shave 20-25 minutes off the current service.

Very good, but Nottingham - Chesterfield via Sheffield would need an express service.