railwanabe
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When are relief premiums paid
I wonder if he kept his job
People will have different ways of dealing with maintaining attention. One of the questions that used to be on an application form was something like how would you deal with the time between trains and maintaining that attention span? Depending on the amount of traffic on a route that may differ from box to box. Some may read a book, but that isn't without its pitfalls...you may get a bit engrossed and delay a train or panic and think you've not done something. And yes, I've done that before.
There used to be a poster in the boxes advising to keep away from levers and buttons, in order to not replace signals in error. Don't forget there are times when a signal needs to be replaced in front of a train, but those circumstances are readily explained, or catered for in the rules and regulations.
That said we are all human and it has to be accepted that mistakes occur, and sadly people have been killed or injured as a result of this. Equally the signal(wo)man involved has probably lost their job and may have faced a court appearance.
Moreton on Lugg accident was as result of the level crossing barriers not being interlocked with the signalling.
The signaller was busy managing a farmer using a UWC, misremembered a train passing over the level crossing (outside the box) raised the barriers but saldy the train stuck a car on the crossing killing those inside.
NWR where fined, I don’t know what happened to the signaller in the end though.
When are relief premiums paid
Don't forget that you'll stay on your training pay grade (one grade lower) until you are signed off as competent on all the various panels you are manning (could be a lot for a grade nine position). Also probably no overtime etc until then as well. It wouldn't be unusual for it to take a year or more to get signed off, especially for a grade nine position.
It’s an additional payment as a percentage of the basic salary in return for being expected to be much more flexible and, potentially, travel to different locations over quite a wide area in your own time and at your own cost.I’m trying to understand the relief premium. Why is that paid in addition to your salary?
I’m trying to understand the relief premium. Why is that paid in addition to your salary?
Thanks Tom, so in this case, whilst it was a failure in concentration by the signaller that caused the accident, had there been adequate interlocking it would not have been possible to raise the barriers?
A pedantic point, perhaps, but the signals were interlocked with the barriers (i.e. the barriers couldn’t have been raised with the protecting signal cleared) - the lack of approach locking was the problem. The simplified form hurriedly fitted in most, if not all, boxes that still had the potential for a similar incident led to the odd situation in one of my boxes where you could put the home signal back in front of a train approaching at 90mph, and (rightly) be prevented from raising the barriers but still be able to swing the facing points just ahead of the train to put it through a 15mph turnout...Moreton on Lugg accident was as result of the level crossing barriers not being interlocked with the signalling.
The signaller was busy managing a farmer using a UWC, misremembered a train passing over the level crossing (outside the box) raised the barriers but saldy the train stuck a car on the crossing killing those inside.
NWR where fined, I don’t know what happened to the signaller in the end though.
Compensation for an unsettled scheduleI’m trying to understand the relief premium. Why is that paid in addition to your salary?
I wonder if he kept his job, I personally don’t think he was totally at fault - even maybe at fault at all....
Thanks Tom, so in this case, whilst it was a failure in concentration by the signaller that caused the accident, had there been adequate interlocking it would not have been possible to raise the barriers?
Correct.
My Box, just up the line from Moreton, was visited quite quickly after the incident by an official from the RAIB whilsy I was on duty, who wanted to know exactly how we dealt with things and how our barriers worked. They were exactly the same as those at Moreton! Many of us started using "reminder appliances" just in case.
Not long afterwards a modification was designed to stop it happening again, which basically comprised a treddle just after the crossing with a time-out relay so that the barriers could not be lifted unless a train had gone over it, or a set number of minutes had passed after the barriers were dropped.
No problem.That’s a fascinating insight Llanigraham, thanks for sharing.
That's odd as I can't see it open on NR website any longer? I've just completed the online tests for that vacancy and thought I did pretty crap really!! Worcester covers the two boxes at Worcester, Evesham, Norton, and there may be a couple of others.There is a new Signaler vacancy posted for Worcester and it says for locations across the route (grades 2-4)
Could anyone tell me which locations would be included here? Just in and around Worcester or further afield?
Thanks
It came through on this evening’s position update email. I’ve noticed there is a delay between the email links and being able to find the job by searching the website so will probably pop up tomorrow.That's odd as I can't see it open on NR website any longer? I've just completed the online tests for that vacancy and thought I did pretty crap really!! Worcester covers the two boxes at Worcester, Evesham, Norton, and there may be a couple of others.
Both work Absolute Block, plus a variation on TCB in Sibsey’s case for the single line towards Boston. 8-ish hour shifts with no regular nights.I appreciate these questions get asked a lot but would anybody be able to say whether the boxes at Rauceby and Sibsey are on 8 hours, 12 hours, or a mixture of both? Also would I be correct in thinking they are both Absolute Block?
I know it’s not the primary concern but I think grade 2 pay may be marginal for me and both those boxes would be quite a commute. They look to be lovely rural locations though! I’m strongly tempted but I don’t want to do it if commuting costs will make life a struggle. Thanks in advance for any help.
Both work Absolute Block, plus a variation on TCB in Sibsey’s case for the single line towards Boston. 8-ish hour shifts with no regular nights.
That's odd as I can't see it open on NR website any longer? I've just completed the online tests for that vacancy and thought I did pretty crap really!! Worcester covers the two boxes at Worcester, Evesham, Norton, and there may be a couple of others.