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Can we imply from this that the test runs with the 769s haven't been an unmitigated success?
I'm now confident that I have more chance of travelling on a Pacer next year than a 769 this year.Can we imply from this that the test runs with the 769s haven't been an unmitigated success?
Possibly and possibly the fact that theyve been unable to do any sort of traction training on them.Can we imply from this that the test runs with the 769s haven't been an unmitigated success?
Not necessarily solo they can run as 2 142's to make a 4 car but can only do that on them lines probably because they're routes that the 769s will run on so will be an easy swap. They can run on all other lines but must be coupled with a PRM compliant unit so any 15X that has the full PRM treatmentWhat is special about Southport to Alderley Edge and Stalybridge? Does anyone know why is it only those routes can they go "solo" on?
No. To get there, they passed through Chirk which is slightly further west (3.05 degrees West at Chirk, 3.04 at Gobowen)!
This may now be heading off topic but the original question asked was specifically about the 144s Western reach, not 142 or 143.What about Cornwall from whence a fair few Northern Pacers originated? That is surely further West than Chirk or Kilmarnock!
True, but they were 142s, and the question was about 144s.What about Cornwall from whence a fair few Northern Pacers originated? That is surely further West than Chirk or Kilmarnock!
That is a distinct possibility. I'm trying to remember where they went to lose their bus seats etc in 2003ish. I think a spot of Googling is in order...Did they ever visit Hunslet Barclay in Kilmarnock (4.5W)?
This may now be heading off topic but the original question asked was specifically about the 144s Western reach, not 142 or 143.
No the 144’s were solidly at Neville Hill throughout their careers.Aye, I thought some 144s came from GWR
Mea culpa!
I seem to recall they were refurbished by Maintrain at Neville Hill 2002-04.True, but they were 142s, and the question was about 144s.
That is a distinct possibility. I'm trying to remember where they went to lose their bus seats etc in 2003ish. I think a spot of Googling is in order...
No the 144’s were solidly at Neville Hill throughout their careers.
I seem to recall they were refurbished by Maintrain at Neville Hill 2002-04.
There are plenty still sat around. There are 4 at Blackburn, another bunch at Heaton and should those not suffice there are more units currently stored at Gascoigne Wood not doing particularly much at the moment.How many Pacers have Northern got left in their fleet now? I thought most (142) had gone to Heritage Railways or scrapped and there weren't that many left now unless some of the 144s are going to be operating this side of the Pennines something they haven't done before apart from on Victora-Leeds services.
According to the latest PRM dispensation letter, there are 13 142s still in the fleet - 004/018/023/058/065/068/070/071/078/087/090/094/095.How many Pacers have Northern got left in their fleet now?
When the 144s were built in 1987 or thereabouts, did West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive have any input with British Rail as to how to specify the design of the fleet?
Also, were they intended to to specially dedicated to the local stopping services that run in the West Yorkshire PTE area? The only time I have ever seen the 144s on the west side of the Pennines is on the Leeds - Lancaster [Morecombe] services.
From https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/0...r-trains-are-coming-back-to-the-mainline.htmlAccording to the latest PRM dispensation letter, there are 13 142s still in the fleet - 004/018/023/058/065/068/070/071/078/087/090/094/095.
According to a Government letter, 13 Class 142s have been granted permission to continue in passenger service until December 2020.
A letter from the Department for Transport to Northern Trains Limited gives permission for the Pacers to continue in service under Regulation 46(4) of the Railways Interoperability Regulations 2011.
The dispensation applies to the fleet of Class 142s operated by Northern Trains Limited only.
The Class 142s need to be coupled with a compliant unit (a train that complies with the Persons with Reduced Mobility guidelines), such as a Class 150, 155, 156, 158.
However, Class 142s will be able to operate alone if they are running services between Southport and Alderley Edge, or Southport and Stalybridge.
Along with these rules, the operator, Northern, must report on progress to replace them every 28 days, until the dispensation expires on 31st December 2020.
The 142s allowed to return to service are 142004, 142018, 142023, 142058, 142065, 142068, 142070, 142071, 142078, 142087, 142090, 142094 and 142095.
I think the question should be which units are still leased by Northern which I think is not too many.How many Pacers have Northern got left in their fleet now? I thought most (142) had gone to Heritage Railways or scrapped and there weren't that many left now unless some of the 144s are going to be operating this side of the Pennines something they haven't done before apart from on Victora-Leeds services.
You’re correct. Not sure on a date yet but it will be Southport - Alderley EdgeI hear all will be in service soon aswell, Extra capacity for Social Distancing
Reported on wnxx forum that this will be 142035 and 142041.Interesting move for tomorrow
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I thought they already had 2 units at Leeming? Are they intending to get more?Reported on wnxx forum that this will be 142035 and 142041.
Is 142041 the first former Merseyrail unit to be preserved?
link please? I can't find anything relating to 041 and 035 on there in name.Confirmed on the Wensleydale Railway facebook page that they’ve got another two pacers (142041 and 142035).