Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

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Stuwhu

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What is special about Southport to Alderley Edge and Stalybridge? Does anyone know why is it only those routes can they go "solo" on?
 

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Can we imply from this that the test runs with the 769s haven't been an unmitigated success?
Possibly and possibly the fact that theyve been unable to do any sort of traction training on them.
What is special about Southport to Alderley Edge and Stalybridge? Does anyone know why is it only those routes can they go "solo" on?
Not necessarily solo they can run as 2 142's to make a 4 car but can only do that on them lines probably because they're routes that the 769s will run on so will be an easy swap. They can run on all other lines but must be coupled with a PRM compliant unit so any 15X that has the full PRM treatment
 

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What about Cornwall from whence a fair few Northern Pacers originated? That is surely further West than Chirk or Kilmarnock!
 

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What about Cornwall from whence a fair few Northern Pacers originated? That is surely further West than Chirk or Kilmarnock!
True, but they were 142s, and the question was about 144s.
Did they ever visit Hunslet Barclay in Kilmarnock (4.5W)?
That is a distinct possibility. I'm trying to remember where they went to lose their bus seats etc in 2003ish. I think a spot of Googling is in order...
 

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Aye, I thought some 144s came from GWR
Mea culpa!
No the 144’s were solidly at Neville Hill throughout their careers.
True, but they were 142s, and the question was about 144s.

That is a distinct possibility. I'm trying to remember where they went to lose their bus seats etc in 2003ish. I think a spot of Googling is in order...
I seem to recall they were refurbished by Maintrain at Neville Hill 2002-04.
 

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No the 144’s were solidly at Neville Hill throughout their careers.

I seem to recall they were refurbished by Maintrain at Neville Hill 2002-04.
When the 144s were built in 1987 or thereabouts, did West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive have any input with British Rail as to how to specify the design of the fleet?

Also, were they intended to to specially dedicated to the local stopping services that run in the West Yorkshire PTE area? The only time I have ever seen the 144s on the west side of the Pennines is on the Leeds - Lancaster [Morecombe] services.
 

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How many Pacers have Northern got left in their fleet now? I thought most (142) had gone to Heritage Railways or scrapped and there weren't that many left now unless some of the 144s are going to be operating this side of the Pennines something they haven't done before apart from on Victora-Leeds services.
 

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How many Pacers have Northern got left in their fleet now? I thought most (142) had gone to Heritage Railways or scrapped and there weren't that many left now unless some of the 144s are going to be operating this side of the Pennines something they haven't done before apart from on Victora-Leeds services.
There are plenty still sat around. There are 4 at Blackburn, another bunch at Heaton and should those not suffice there are more units currently stored at Gascoigne Wood not doing particularly much at the moment.
 

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When the 144s were built in 1987 or thereabouts, did West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive have any input with British Rail as to how to specify the design of the fleet?

Also, were they intended to to specially dedicated to the local stopping services that run in the West Yorkshire PTE area? The only time I have ever seen the 144s on the west side of the Pennines is on the Leeds - Lancaster [Morecombe] services.
In later years they operated the Leeds-Brighouse-Man Vic service when it was introduced in Dec 2008. A proportion of Victoria crews were trained on them, but occasionall staffing problems did occur. They also operated a few journeys via Bradford - I recall having to stand on one mid-evening Saturday journey out of Victoria, even though it was a 3-car unit.
 

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004, 058, 078 and 090 are at Blackburn with the others at Heaton
Of the 144s 001, 006 and 007 have left to new homes. I doubt 008 will come out again as it has severe underframe corrosion. 008, 015, 018, 021 and 023 are at Heaton with the others stored at Keighley
 

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According to the latest PRM dispensation letter, there are 13 142s still in the fleet - 004/018/023/058/065/068/070/071/078/087/090/094/095.
From https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/0...r-trains-are-coming-back-to-the-mainline.html
According to a Government letter, 13 Class 142s have been granted permission to continue in passenger service until December 2020.

A letter from the Department for Transport to Northern Trains Limited gives permission for the Pacers to continue in service under Regulation 46(4) of the Railways Interoperability Regulations 2011.

The dispensation applies to the fleet of Class 142s operated by Northern Trains Limited only.

The Class 142s need to be coupled with a compliant unit (a train that complies with the Persons with Reduced Mobility guidelines), such as a Class 150, 155, 156, 158.

However, Class 142s will be able to operate alone if they are running services between Southport and Alderley Edge, or Southport and Stalybridge.

Along with these rules, the operator, Northern, must report on progress to replace them every 28 days, until the dispensation expires on 31st December 2020.

The 142s allowed to return to service are 142004, 142018, 142023, 142058, 142065, 142068, 142070, 142071, 142078, 142087, 142090, 142094 and 142095.
The DfT dispensation letter is at https://assets.publishing.service.g...rthern-class-142-2020-dispensation-letter.pdf.

The dispensation for these 13 units is presumably intended as cover for a further (maybe terminal?) delay in the entry into service of Northern's eight 4-car 769s, as per https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...9s-initially-for-northern.138660/post-4604327. That will be why they do not have to be coupled to a PRM-compliant unit when operating on the Southport - Alderley Edge and Southport - Stalybridge routes, where the 769s were going to be used.
 

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How many Pacers have Northern got left in their fleet now? I thought most (142) had gone to Heritage Railways or scrapped and there weren't that many left now unless some of the 144s are going to be operating this side of the Pennines something they haven't done before apart from on Victora-Leeds services.
I think the question should be which units are still leased by Northern which I think is not too many.
The remainder will be stored off lease or have moved on.
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In answer to post 3841, 18 of the Class 144s (144001-8/14-23) visited Hunslet Barclays between 1989 and 1991 for Voith gearbox conversions, as did the six Tyne and Wear liveried Class 143s, 143020-25 and many 142s.
 

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Reported on wnxx forum that this will be 142035 and 142041.
Is 142041 the first former Merseyrail unit to be preserved?
I thought they already had 2 units at Leeming? Are they intending to get more?
Is the intention to store units at Leeming as with 144's at KWVR?
 
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Adele once sang "Chasing Pavements"

She could come to the North or Devon and sing "Chasing Pacers."

I've already got the chorus in mind!
 
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