Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

Zooty

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I believe that the Morecambe branch services, alongside the Cumbrian coast services are worked by Heaton based units, however, Heaton no longer has any Pacers and the returning Pacers will be based out of Newton Heath.
I don't think that's been the case since May 2018. The Morecambe shuttle starts and ends its day at Blackpool and is in a cycle with Ormskirk/Colne/Blackpool South diagrams. So Newton Heath units. Cumbria is still Heaton units as far as I know.

That’ll explain why the shuttle was a 156/150 most of the time early this year.
Never a 150. Barrow crew don't sign them.
 
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Never a 150. Barrow crew don't sign them.
But Wigan do sign 150s, so they can go on selected diagrams. Without wanting to stray off topic a 153 went to Blackpool South this morning even though Blackpool don't sign 153s (It was a Blackburn diagram)
 

Zooty

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But Wigan do sign 150s, so they can go on selected diagrams. Without wanting to stray off topic a 153 went to Blackpool South this morning even though Blackpool don't sign 153s (It was a Blackburn diagram)
The Morecambe shuttle has been a single unit diagram since May 2018. So there hasn't been a 150 this year. There hasn't been a 150 on a west-side Morecambe diagram since VHF came in and chopped the Liverpool-Morecambes.

The few services that come across from Leeds/Skipton can be 150s, and one of those gets a Wigan crew for the Lancaster-Morecambe legs, but the west-side shuttle, no.
 

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Looks like the Foxfield Railway have acquired 142055 for preservation! Second of the Merseyside sets to be preserved as well
 

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Looks like there’s a combined Pacer preservation/scrap move from Gascoigne Wood tomorrow, firstly going from GW to Butterley MRC (presumably dropping off another 142 for preservation) then continuing from there to Sims Metals @ Newport Docks.

Here are the moves
GW to Butterley - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K02165/2020-06-17/detailed

Butterley to Newport Docks - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K02166/2020-06-17/detailed
Which pacer has been saved to go to butterley
And what the pacers numbers going to newport
 

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Anyone know the whereabouts of 144 002? First one I ever rode in back in the day!! Also strangely, my Granddaughter's first ever train ride. How's that for fate!!
 

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Is Keighley still full of 144's?
Just wondering for how much longer they will be stored there, especially as preservation sites seem to be in the early stages of waking up.
Yes. There are currently 15 x 144s stabled at Keighley.

I understand one or two may be departing to pastures new in the next week or so.

If they were reorganised there is sufficient space at Keighley to store any remaining 144s and operate KWVR services.
 

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I'm not the greatest Pacer officianado or enthusiast, but a Google search quickly establishes 142043 and 142055 are Northern pacers so a question about the pacers at Butterley sounds entirely appropriate. I'm more interested in seeing them come through the Midlands to remind me of what we managed to avoid!
 

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I'm not the greatest Pacer officianado or enthusiast, but a Google search quickly establishes 142043 and 142055 are Northern pacers so a question about the pacers at Butterley sounds entirely appropriate. I'm more interested in seeing them come through the Midlands to remind me of what we managed to avoid!
Just being a tad pedantic, some parts of the Midlands received Pacers :D if you count places like Lincoln and Retford. Also, Pacers occasionally worked to Crewe which is only just on the border of the Midlands and the North. But were they never used around Birmingham?
 

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Just being a tad pedantic, some parts of the Midlands received Pacers :D if you count places like Lincoln and Retford. Also, Pacers occasionally worked to Crewe which is only just on the border of the Midlands and the North. But were they never used around Birmingham?
The prototype 140 ran across the country in the early 80s, including a stint on the Heart of Wales line- Shrewsbury is just about in the West Midlands I guess.
 

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Just being a tad pedantic, some parts of the Midlands received Pacers :D if you count places like Lincoln and Retford. Also, Pacers occasionally worked to Crewe which is only just on the border of the Midlands and the North. But were they never used around Birmingham?
We probably are going a bit off-topic here, but I will reply. Perhaps I should have said 'West Midlands' rather than 'Midlands'. I believe when they were first introduced one came to Tyseley for a short while and worked a few services presumably to see whether they would be useful. They were never seen nor heard of again, at least by me, until:

10Jan20. Is this the new stock for the Crosscity Line? Probably not! 142039 and 142057 are at Kings Norton en-route to being broken up at Sims scrapyard, Newport Docks. They are making their own way there as working 5Q78 the 05:30 from Gascoigne Wood Sidings, near Selby.
by Ray, on Flickr
 

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A little bit off topic, but I have a question on an operational aspect of Pacers. I remember that during the changeover to Voith gearboxes between 1988 to 1991, modified units could work coupled to ones still fitted with SCG gearboxes.
Indeed, any 142, 143 or 144 could work coupled to a Class 15x. On Flickr there is a picture of an hybrid 142 consisting of half of 142036 and half of 142056 taken in 1989, (https://www.flickr.com/photos/martynhilbert/49400939242).
I am pretty sure that 142036 was an early Voith conversion during 1989, but 14056 was one of the last blue ones converted in 1990. So, would it have been possible to operate a 142 carriage with an SCG gearbox coupled to another carriage with a Voith as the picture would seem to imply?
 

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142065 / 142087 were on an empty coaching stock run from Heaton TMD to Hexham Station and back to Heaton TMD this morning, headcode was 5Z40
 
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3 car 150 due to be leaving Newton Heath tomorrow around 14.00 on its way to Blackburn King Street via Rochdale... Then 2 142s coming back down around 15:15.
 

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There are two recently stored serviceable Pacer units now at Gobowen with a long wait for their intended new purpose of running to Oswestry dependant on a new road bdge to replace a LC, that could possibly be hired out for temp.use on the National Network.
 

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When there are multiple 144s still under the Rosco ownership, it's highly unlikely they would ask for the Gobowen double back, though it would probably be a nice earner for the preservation group.
 

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The Morecambe shuttle has been a single unit diagram since May 2018. So there hasn't been a 150 this year. There hasn't been a 150 on a west-side Morecambe diagram since VHF came in and chopped the Liverpool-Morecambes.

The few services that come across from Leeds/Skipton can be 150s, and one of those gets a Wigan crew for the Lancaster-Morecambe legs, but the west-side shuttle, no.
I'm 99% certain I've saw a 150 working Lancaster to Morecambe earlier this year.

It departed from platform one at Lancaster and I'm almost certain it wasn't a service from Leeds.
 

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