OmniCity999
Established Member
The Routemasters are destined for Ensign too in the near future.
-
Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!
Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion
- Thread starter overthewater
- Start date
- Status
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R
RailUK Forums
overthewater
Established Member
- Joined
- 16 Apr 2012
- Messages
- 8,173
How safe is newbridge depot? Could that be closed and everything moved to longstone?
I think those were the most bizarre project out of everything, was wondering if they'd already been sold.
OmniCity999
Established Member
Talk is, engineering could be moved to Newbridge with Seafield works sold off to one of the car dealers for good money.
Ironically, it was Seafield which replaced Shrubhill as Lothian's central works when that was sold (also for good money) back in 1999.
OmniCity999
Established Member
the sale could be used to recoup the costs accumulated from the last few years, including setting up LCB and Motorcoaches.
if it isnt sold, say goodbye to the entire coaching wing. The coaching wing is being wound down a little, even then. All current second hand purchases are being sold and some are arriving to allow full DDA compliance.
if targeted and marketed properly, including fixing any relations with other companies, Motorcoaches can be profitable.
Are the Plaxtons bought new going to have lifts fitted then, if the aim is full DDA compliance?
OmniCity999
Established Member
others were due to arrive which would have lifts fitted. And i believe, but dont quote me, at least some of the Green Arrow coaches are joining the Motorcoaches fleet. Nothing is being modified. The OEM look and feel is much preferred.
The planning strategy for Edinburgh that was consulted on pre lockdown included one option for the entirety of the car dealership strip to be potential housing land. Long term this does seem sensible, at least at the Portobello end (furthest from the ongoing issues of smell from the sewage treatment works).
I have never had such a tremendous view from a coffee area at a car dealership as at Arnold Clark Renault. Bearing in mind the premium prices paid for sea views from flats it's more likely to go for residential - the land value would be a lot higher I suspect.
Whilst it's a shame to see vehicles being let go I hope the trimming down of Motorcoaches doesn't leave anyone without a job.
I wonder if the two ECB depots would be worth selling for redevelopment, as I get the impression any desire to expand ECB would be hampered quickly by space.
Relocate the whole operation to one central site with enough space. East Lothian has plenty of empty spaces.
Now probably not the time as that requires investment up front when profitability and income are the main concerns!
I wonder if the two ECB depots would be worth selling for redevelopment, as I get the impression any desire to expand ECB would be hampered quickly by space.
Relocate the whole operation to one central site with enough space. East Lothian has plenty of empty spaces.
Now probably not the time as that requires investment up front when profitability and income are the main concerns!
OmniCity999
Established Member
There was talk of a central East Lothian Depot in either Haddington or Macmerry Industrial estate, but its since been dropped. There's far too much dead mileage as it is, so to do so would be a money burner.
Jordan Adam
Established Member
I did say back when Hall left that i could see investment in the preserved fleet cut or axed with the newer vehicles sold, even though at the time we couldn't have seen the COVID situation happening it seems i was right all along. It's sad as Lothian had quite a good collection of stuff, but in times like this cost savings have to be made and all most of these vehicles were doing was wasting space and money. I do wonder if things would be different had Hall stayed on? Perhaps the X38/EX2 would still be running too.
Yeah that's a fair one. I don't think the routes / contracts left to go after are worth it - certainly don't fit with the fleet anyway. It would also be nice to leave the little stuff to the little guys who do a good job with it as it is.
scotrail158713
Established Member
Have to agree. The current setup with buses in East Lothian seems to fit everyone fine. ECB predominantly do the Edinburgh commuter routes, whilst the smaller operators do the more local routes.
Lothian285
Member
Timetables are now available for the service changes.
Darklord8899
Member
- Joined
- 6 Jul 2018
- Messages
- 679
N35 is not being re-introduced either
Jordan Adam
Established Member
Unfortunately the formatting on the timetables isn't the best and there's parts of routes missing. For example the 281 according to the Lothian timetable only operate from Deans, Royston Roundabout to Fauldhouse.
While on any route with short workings the timetable is a complete mess with the journeys all in the wrong order, the 37 perhaps shows this best.
Timetable - Lothian Buses
Lothian Buses - Local bus services in and around Edinburgh
www.lothianbuses.com
Screenshot of Service 37 timetable showing poor formatting with journeys in the incorrect order.
Hopefully proper PDF timetables are created as a few of those timetables are an eyesore to read! Also disappointing that the new LC map goes back to the old "spider" / London Underground design rather than the far more user friendly geographical route map.
Auld reekie
Member
- Joined
- 23 Jun 2018
- Messages
- 324
Thanks.
Last edited:
Indeed, the 21 timetable doesnt allow you to see the Clovenstone times on RIE bound journeys, only times from Forrester Park Ave, which isnt exactly helpful!Unfortunately the formatting on the timetables isn't the best and there's parts of routes missing. For example the 281 according to the Lothian timetable only operate from Deans, Royston Roundabout to Fauldhouse.
While on any route with short workings the timetable is a complete mess with the journeys all in the wrong order, the 37 perhaps shows this best.
Timetable - Lothian Buses
Lothian Buses - Local bus services in and around Edinburgh
Checking the website I managed to set the route to one where it does show times from Clovenstone..
Ahhh, good they've updated this now, up until todays updated timetable this wasnt an option. I'm glad it's been sorted though.
Auld reekie
Member
- Joined
- 23 Jun 2018
- Messages
- 324
Bustimes.org has an update on the 45 but not on Lothian Buses website.
Strange.
Strange.
Graham Alexand
Member
Maybe lothian forgot to put it up on their website or, bustimes.org made an error we'll see on the 13/14th
Auld reekie
Member
- Joined
- 23 Jun 2018
- Messages
- 324
More than likely the person updating their website is not very good at their job.Maybe lothian forgot to put it up on their website or, bustimes.org made an error we'll see on the 13/14th
Graham Alexand
Member
Possibly
RomeoCharlie71
Established Member
Maybe lothian forgot to put it up on their website or, bustimes.org made an error we'll see on the 13/14th
bustimes.org gets its Lothian data from the Traveline National Dataset (TNDS). The bus companies (or local authorities, dependent on the operator) send their timetable data to Traveline for them to upload to the TNDS - and sites such as bustimes.org pull the data from that.
Auld reekie
Member
- Joined
- 23 Jun 2018
- Messages
- 324
Thanks.
Lothian285
Member
The 45 is on the Lothian website...
Jordan Adam
Established Member
The updated timetable wasn't earlier.
Jordan Adam
Established Member
They've also sorted the 281 now. Earlier the Livingston - Deans leg of the timetable was missing.
Although on the place names in the 281 timetable there's still issues with the names being automatically cut which could be confusing to people from outside the area. For example "St. John's Hospital" shows as "St. John's Hospi". Likewise with "Deans Primary Sc", "Royston Roundabo", "Bathgate Fire St", "Bathgate Town Ce" and "Bathgate Morriso". Yet bizarrely "J4 M8 Distribution Park" shows in full despite being a longer name than those other locations.
Although on the place names in the 281 timetable there's still issues with the names being automatically cut which could be confusing to people from outside the area. For example "St. John's Hospital" shows as "St. John's Hospi". Likewise with "Deans Primary Sc", "Royston Roundabo", "Bathgate Fire St", "Bathgate Town Ce" and "Bathgate Morriso". Yet bizarrely "J4 M8 Distribution Park" shows in full despite being a longer name than those other locations.
- Status