Low Speed Derailment Sheffield 11/11

[ModernRailways]

Just seen on EMR Twitter feed a low speed derailment at Sheffield. No more info at present

https://twitter.com/EastMidRailway/status/1326373677416525825

#EMRUpdate There has been a low-speed derailment near Sheffield. This will disrupt our trains on the London-Sheffield and Liverpool-Nottingham-Norwich routes. Further details can be found here: eastmidlandsrailway.co.uk/#Intercity-rou…

 

[skyhigh]

Freight train derailed north of Sheffield, no injuries reported but a fair amount of infrastructure damage.

 

[800001]

66603 6E91 34 Loaded PCA'S reports of at least 1 wagon on its side with lots of infrastructure damage.

All Crosscountry services terminating at Derby and Leeds.

 

[daodao]

66603 6E91 34 Loaded PCA'S reports of at least 1 wagon on its side with lots of infrastructure damage.

All Crosscountry services terminating at Derby and Leeds.

Why? Services could just run via Killamarsh to bypass Sheffield.

 

[bunnahabhain]

Why? Services could just run via Killamarsh to bypass Sheffield.

Might not be enough crew who sign that diversion.

 

[RHolmes]

16 trailers have been reported as derailed

 

[Tracked]

Just seen a photo of it, looks like it was coming off Platform 1, blocked up one side of the short tunnel at the north end of the station.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Just seen a photo of it, looks like it was coming off Platform 1, blocked up one side of the short tunnel at the north end of the station.

Just seen some too. That’s going to take a while to sort out.

 

[M60lad]

How are Northern and EMR able to run services from Manchester-Sheffield via Hope Valley yet TPE can't run any services to/from Sheffield is only one Platform availble?

 

[johnnychips]

They are trying to source replacement buses but would have been a 40 minute wait for one to Doncaster. First X78 driver accepted rail tickets; not sure if that’s widespread or his discretion.

 

[M60lad]

Probably be the usual situation on a weekday morning trying to source replacement buses/coaches due to operators having School Contracts and some operators maybe providing backup services for normal services that go past/near Schools.

 

[Killingworth]

Looks to have been a cement train from Earles to Dewsbury. Track damage could take some time to restore in a critical part of the infrastructure. The major bottleneck for services in normal times both passenger and freight.

 

[KashmireHawker]

I suspect that is the entire station out of action, for several days at least - with how the northern bit of the station is modelled!

 

[Broken70]

Just a note with rail replacements. They have been offered a number of coaches that are free and parked up but have refused them because they arnt PSVAR vehicles. That was at 0635.

 

[37424]

Why? Services could just run via Killamarsh to bypass Sheffield.

You should know by now it's far too difficult for the railway to do things like that these days and the only alternative is a bus

 

[YorkshireBear]

Just a note with rail replacements. They have been offered a number of coaches that are free and parked up but have refused them because they arnt PSVAR vehicles. That was at 0635.

A rather frustrating side story for the DDA compliance.

 

[johnnychips]

You should know by now it's far too difficult for the railway to do things like that these days and the only alternative is a bus

Do XC drivers sign that route?

 

[Trainfan2019]

How come the Norwich to Liverpool trains are serving the station but not the London trains? According to national rail there are replacement buses between Sheffield and Chesterfield. From my many times on the station, London trains often use the higher numbered platforms.

 

[Mag_seven]

66603 6E91 34 Loaded PCA'S reports of at least 1 wagon on its side with lots of infrastructure damage.

All Crosscountry services terminating at Derby and Leeds.

There are some pictures of the derailed wagons in the following BBC article:

Sheffield freight train derailment causes major travel disruption

Disruption is expected to last all day due to the "low speed" freight train derailment in Sheffield.

www.bbc.co.uk

A freight train has derailed in Sheffield, resulting in disruption to services across the north of England.
Northern Rail said services had either been cancelled or were being diverted, with disruption lasting all day.
It said the "low speed derailment" happened north of the city's station, meaning trains are unable to run through the city.
Services run by CrossCountry, East Midlands Railway, Northern and Transpennine Express are affected.

 

[Iskra]

How come the Norwich to Liverpool trains are serving the station but not the London trains? According to national rail there are replacement buses between Sheffield and Chesterfield. From my many times on the station, London trains often use the higher numbered platforms.

The London trains often shunt into/out of the station Northwards I believe.

And yes, this is a right mess and highlights what a choke point this area is along with the lack of redundancy in the system.

 

[norbitonflyer]

A rather frustrating side story for the DDA compliance.

So, in the name of equality, no-one gets to travel at all. The "reasonable adjustment" clause in the legislation should allow whatever is available in an emergency to be used by those who can, and ensure a bespoke solution is provided for any exceptions.

 

[MadCommuter]

Hindsight is always a nice thing, but is the routing of the freight train via the station, the best option, given other routes are available?

 

[class 9]

Why? Services could just run via Killamarsh to bypass Sheffield.

XC crews used to sign the whole of the 'old road' as its known, but it was taken off route cards years ago as theres no regular services over the bit from Beighton Jct to Masborough Jct, to maintain competency.
They do sign the bit from Beighton Jct to Chesterfield.

 

[RHolmes]

How are Northern and EMR able to run services from Manchester-Sheffield via Hope Valley yet TPE can't run any services to/from Sheffield is only one Platform availble?

Only Platform 2C and 7 were available for use at Sheffield.

Remember that most if not all TPE services on the south route start from beyond Crofton depot which is behind the derailment

 

[Iskra]

Hindsight is always a nice thing, but is the routing of the freight train via the station, the best option, given other routes are available?

That's a sensible question, but even if you diverted all freight some freight would still have to pass through to retain route knowledge for the Freight Operating Companies. It would reduce the risk of things like this happening though. It would be a long diversion for this particular service however.

 

[RolandR]

On Open Train Times a Crosscounrty 1S33 has just left platform 8 heading north to NCL. It was only 3 mins late and passed by on the southbound track next to the derailment.

 

[zwk500]

Why? Services could just run via Killamarsh to bypass Sheffield.

You should know by now it's far too difficult for the railway to do things like that these days and the only alternative is a bus

There was an overnight block on the Barrow Hill Lines. Some trains are now running through Sheffield station but having to use the Up line in Both directions.

Hindsight is always a nice thing, but is the routing of the freight train via the station, the best option, given other routes are available?

The train had come off the Hope Valley, and was heading to Dewsbury. Exactly what other route was it meant to run?

 

[yorksrob]

Any guesses as to the likelihood of this being cleared by Saturday ?

 

[Crossover]

Only Platform 2C and 7 were available for use at Sheffield.

Remember that most if not all TPE services on the south route start from beyond Crofton depot which is behind the derailment

Surely more platforms available than that from the south at least? Whats wrong with 5/6/8?

 

[merry]

Looks like only platforms 2c, 7 & 8 accessible ( from OpenTrainTimes live signalling diagrams). First 2 are bays so only the short sets to/from Manchester can use these. The remaining p8 rather limits what can be handled with time for reversal or terminating services znd perhaps any double sets operating the Liverpools. Hence only Norwich- Liverpool running, these will plso provide some caoacity from Chesterfield to Sheffield so not a bad choice.
Alternate routes, including the 'old road' through Killamarsh, and Dore S curve, rely on routes beng signed, which is likely too hard to manage reliably at short notice, now crews only sign a minimal restricted range of routes.
Looks s number of sets trapped in the N end bays snd the whole N end