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In their later years some 27's were allocated to Inverness for the Aberdeen service, however did any ever work service trains ( not specials) to Wick/ Thurso or Kyle?
Definitely, at least once in multiple as well.In their later years some 27's were allocated to Inverness for the Aberdeen service, however did any ever work service trains ( not specials) to Wick/ Thurso or Kyle?
Yes, but very infrequently- I have seen photos of 27s at Strathcarron and Kyle with passenger services (usually the 06.55 Inverness-Kyle and 11.08 return) in 1982-4. Their use on Kyle services would have been impossible from October 1984 onwards as radio signalling was introduced on the line, effectively barring the line from all but the dedicated fleet of 37s at Inverness.In their later years some 27's were allocated to Inverness for the Aberdeen service, however did any ever work service trains ( not specials) to Wick/ Thurso or Kyle?
Amazing. I guess they were both shakedown runs from Eastfield works?I was fortunate in 75 to have an ex work 26 ( cant remember number) working in tandem with the usual 27 on 08,35 Queen St to Oban as far as Crianlarich where it was detached and returned south. Had a similar experience in 74 with a 24/0. On both occasion both locomotives were crewed and worked in tandem which was interesting
What surprised me most was an exworks 24 so late in their carreer, amazing in the front coach with the window downn, 27 just idling and the lead loco doing all the work. Wish I still had my logs to identify them. What I recall was the 24 was 2400x but cant reall the last number.Amazing. I guess they were both shakedown runs from Eastfield works?
Class 26s did very occasionally appear in Fort William although I was never aware of them in either Oban or Mallaig although there is the quoted photographic evidence of the latter. Correction : Photo evidence of 26025 in the Pass of Brander in 1979. The same book records 26012 on a southbound working from FW in 1975. 'Diesels in Scotland' WJV Anderson.Off topic- but a corollary- is how often 26s ever worked to Oban, Fort William or Mallaig. My guess is almost never, but I have seen a Tom Noble photo of 26034 at Mallaig in 1975, on what (from the formation) is evidently a service train- the 13.00 to Fort William. But how on earth could a 26 have reached Mallaig? The nearest depot where anyone signed a 26 in those days would have been Eastfield- but Eastfield men back then did not ordinarily sign the WHL beyond Spean Bridge (I don’t think any Glasgow-based driver has ever signed the Mallaig extension), and there’s no way that an Eastfield crew could get to Mallaig and back (even with a route conductor) within the shift length. So I wonder what the circumstances of this rare working were?
Was it the case that a driver had recently transferred to Fort William or Mallaig from a depot in Scotland which used 26s and that his traction knowledge for the class was still in date, allowing him to use it for that particular turn?
I believe that 27042 + 27050 had been active on the Far North for a couple of days prior to the 15th August. I took a day off and travelled overnight to Inverness specifically to do them. On the 1135 Inverness - Wick they lost 40 minutes as they weren't working correctly in multiple, and ex-works 27042 arrived at Wick smouldering nicely. As shown they worked back at 1805, then the pair was split and 27042 was assigned to Glasgow Works for rectification. I suspect the date of the photo of 27042 at Wick may be incorrect.also very rare on far north, but something of a spree in August 1985
15 August 1985 http://www.thebashingyears.co.uk/1985aug.html
27042 2H64 1805 Wick - Inverness DH with 27050
27042 2H63 1135 Inverness - Wick DH with 27050
27050 2H64 1805 Wick - Inverness DH with 27042
27050 2H63 1135 Inverness - Wick DH with 27042
16 August 1985 27050+27020 2H63 1135 Inverness - Wick to Georgemas
17 August 1985 photo of 27042 (and 27XXX) at Wick https://railscot.co.uk/img/20/647/
18 August 1985 27020+27050 2H64 1450 Wick - Inverness
20 August 1985 27050+27020 2H63 1135 Inverness Wick
27020+27050 2H64 18.05 Wick - Inverness
(per http://www.leightonlogs.org/ScotnMid0885.htm)
That’s interesting- I always thought that they were actually quite different machines with quite different performance characteristics, although they looked fairly similar externally. The cab layout isn’t massively different I don’t think- the only differences I can think of are that 26s have Davies and Metcalfe brakes, 27s Westinghouse. The power controller on a 27 is a more angular version of that on a 26. But how different is the driving technique? They have different gearings too, I think, and obviously different electrical equipment (Crompton-Parkinson vs GEC). I presume there are more differences in terms of where things are situated in the engine room? Fault finding probably wouldn’t be too difficult, though.Class 26s did very occasionally appear in Fort William although I was never aware of them in either Oban or Mallaig although there is the quoted photographic evidence of the latter. Correction : Photo evidence of 26025 in the Pass of Brander in 1979. The same book records 26012 on a southbound working from FW in 1975. 'Diesels in Scotland' WJV Anderson.
Although there were subtle differences between 26s and 27s there may have been a loose interpretation of being passed out on a Birmingham RCW type 2, and perhaps they had the subtle differences explained in training even without practical experience. Things were different back then, and by virtue of the age profile in the late seventies, when only the very small number of 'junior' secondmen did not have well over 20 years in the line of promotion, virtually all of the Fort William - and Mallaig - footplate crews would have been trained for the introduction of diesels in the early 60s.
26s were more reliable, as for the speeds of the 27s on the WHL there are several reports of them being driven 'on the ammeter' rather than the speedometer.That’s interesting- I always thought that they were actually quite different machines with quite different performance characteristics, although they looked fairly similar externally. The cab layout isn’t massively different I don’t think- the only differences I can think of are that 26s have Davies and Metcalfe brakes, 27s Westinghouse. The power controller on a 27 is a more angular version of that on a 26. But how different is the driving technique? They have different gearings too, I think, and obviously different electrical equipment (Crompton-Parkinson vs GEC). I presume there are more differences in terms of where things are situated in the engine room? Fault finding probably wouldn’t be too difficult, though.
I can imagine a lower-powered 26 would probably feel slightly sluggish compared with a 27, but otherwise performance would be fairly similar. The higher maximum speed of the 27 would be irrelevant on the WHL!
Yes, as I noted in my post above, early 1982 was exceptionally bad weather, so normal rules as to what locos worked where were abandoned in favour of "anything with wheels and a boiler". It is highly likely the 26 worked through from Oban.Not quite on thread. 26014 was on 1226 Oban-Queen St on a snowy 9 Jan 1982. I saw it near Glasgow so conceivably the class 26 may not have started at Oban but is that likely? It was a Haymarket loco at that date I think. I suppose its the other side of the coin... 26s in the West Highlands as opposed to 27s in the Highlands
47546 worked a service train to Wick 4 April 1984, it was on a freight to Invergordon or something when the 37 failed on the morning service from Inverness, and 546 worked Ardgay to Wick and back. There is a photo of it at Wick, cant find it just now. (very annoyingly can only find a broken link, second post here http://www.trainsimdev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=299)27s weren't uncommon on the morning Invergordon train in the 80s. 47s did it on a semi-regular basis as well, since they were OK RA-wise for that section. Mind you, 47546 went to Wick on a Merrymaker in the 1980s...
40s made it as well, 168 went to Kyle and back in 1979.some more reminisences from Jan 1985 here http://www.leightonlogs.org/ScotJan85win.htm
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Returning North on S81 27020 was the real engine from Moss End to Perth. We opted for the internal(Highland Line) overnite with 47546.Because of the severe low temperatures Scot-Rail had allocated pairs of locos on the Far North to cover for boiler failures and alike.37260/27005 on the 0630 Far North took us to Dingwall where we awaited 37114/27014 on the Kyle on the expected move to the Achnasheen crossing point for the Kyle back as we all did.The station staff asked us if we were doing this move,” yes” we replied.”Not today I’m afraid”they advised...”Our Kyle’s syphon had a faulty radio and this would swop power with 37025 off the incoming Kyle at Dingwall. Our 37 and etheling, unpowered 27014 was taken in bus-stop tradition to Muir Of Ord where an even better 26040/27054 followed on the inbound Wick/Thurso. I had to chuckle years later on reading in some mag that 27014 “may have got” to Kyle during this period, “some claim!”
At Inverness 27051/27055 were on the blocks with the 0740 ex Aberdeen,cursing our wrong move again, we were to see our luck improve...The pair were refuelled and watered and put on the 1130 service to Wick/Thurso.A pair of 27’s on the Far North was a rare event for us and an excellent mileage move. It is no exaggeration to say that the snow fences and barriers between County March and Altnabreac had drifts of snow some 10feet above the height of our train. Earlier the previous week some Welsh bashers had been stranded in Wick for several days the only way out being by air...Just 27055 returned us South for 47/4’s on the internal overnite move to Blair Athol our sociable guard waking us up as requested. Back at Inverness the 0630 Wick/Thurso was to produce an excellent 26008/040 steaming away.I bailed at Ardgay for a 37261 and 27055 again on the early morning up service. My reasons were simple I needed the syphon, but how I wish, looking back, that I had stayed on they 26’s.
47546 worked a service train to Wick 4 April 1984, it was on a freight to Invergordon or something when the 37 failed on the morning service from Inverness, and 546 worked Ardgay to Wick and back. There is a photo of it at Wick, cant find it just now. (very annoyingly can only find a broken link, second post here http://www.trainsimdev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=299)
47546 2K03 0640 Inverness - Wick from Ardgay
47546 2N26 1200 Wick - Inverness http://www.thebashingyears.co.uk/1984apr.html
The merrymaker was 47469 14 March 1981, apparently it was a rake of Southern mk1s and EH only
There is a summary of class 47 action on far north in Traction mag somewhere
I think it was a bit later, my 1980/1981 timetable gives a fairly variable departure slot either end for the Inverness/Aberdeen line. Certainly by 1984 they were a very regular two-hourly interval from both ends.I think it was in 1980 that the Aberdeen - Inverness service went regular interval throughout the day, and was diagrammed to be worked by single class 27s. The intensive thrashing they received on that route soon found out any weaknesses. As such they only lasted about a year before the whole lot was turned over to class 47 operation, in the hope of reducing the demands on the local fire and rescue services, in addition to offering better odds of an on-time (and unscorched) arrival. With the Edinburgh - Dundee circuit going hourly loco-hauled the 27s migrated down there, to spread their own particular brand of fiery enthusiasm further south. The constant shortfall of class 47s often lead to substitution on the Inverness - Aberdeen route, with pairs of 26s, and 37s the first choice.
There was at least one Inverness-Aberdeen booked for double 26/27s for a period in the early '80s even after the other diagrams were all 47s.Interesting if 27s were used more than 26s in the north. Certainly on the Aberdeen to Inverness line in the early 1980s, it was 47s, and mainly 26s, with an occasional 27.
Likely at rush hour times when I wouldn't have been around to see them!There was at least one Inverness-Aberdeen booked for double 26/27s for a period in the early '80s even after the other diagrams were all 47s.
From what I remember of flickr photos it was the one timed to leave Inverness immediately after The Clansman which was usually 1035 off INV, so something like the 1040-ish INV-ABD.Likely at rush hour times when I wouldn't have been around to see them!
I saw this a few times when travelling and I think it was basically either a parcels or mail (or both) working as far as Elgin. How official the carriage of passengers was I do not know as I was always going in the opposite direction.I recall there was an unadvertised 04:47 Aberdeen - Elgin which was diagrammed for a Type 2. This would then shunt into the yard at Elgin, and reappear later to form the 07:15 Elgin - Inverness. If the 01:05 Perth - Aberdeen was also a Type 2 that morning, you could go Perth - Aberdeen - Elgin - Inverness all with Type 2 power.