Silverlink livery stock on National Express East Anglia.

[Neilandrewhall]

Was at Romford Station, waiting for a Train to go to London Liverpool Street - The fast train turns up at 21:26 - and the train is still in the lively of Silverlink - On board the seats have not changed, from Silverlink to National Express - and the Map on Board Still Had the Silverlink Cross Country Route. ( London Euston to Northampton/Birmingham)..

Coming home as well, it was the same sort of Train - But Instead it was the National Express Metro, That i got but I would call it Silverlink Metro.

As it had the Silverlink Lively still.

Anyone want to Explain this Further.

Thanks

Neil

 

[MCR247]

Firstly it is livery

Silverlink now no longer exist, but when they did, they had a fleet of Class 321s, but some new stock was ordered (class 350/2), which came into service at the beginning of the new franchise, London Midland. So the 321s weren't needed any more apart from 7. So some of the spare class 321s went to First Capital connect, and the rest went to NXEA. NXEA hasn't repainted or refurbished these yet

 

[Neilandrewhall]

Firstly it is livery

Silverlink now no longer exist, but when they did, they had a fleet of Class 321s, but some new stock was ordered (class 350/2), which came into service at the beginning of the new franchise, London Midland. So the 321s weren't needed any more apart from 7. So some of the spare class 321s went to First Capital connect, and the rest went to NXEA. NXEA hasn't repainted or refurbished these yet

Aaah Thanks MCR.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Was at Romford Station, waiting for a Train to go to London Liverpool Street - The fast train turns up at 21:26 - and the train is still in the lively of Silverlink - On board the seats have not changed, from Silverlink to National Express - and the Map on Board Still Had the Silverlink Cross Country Route. ( London Euston to Northampton/Birmingham)..

Coming home as well, it was the same sort of Train - But Instead it was the National Express Metro, That i got but I would call it Silverlink Metro.

As it had the Silverlink Lively still.

Anyone want to Explain this Further.

Thanks

Neil

I think ex-SL 321s got transferred to NXEA when the new Overground stuff arrived And the Desiros too

 

[MCR247]

Silverlink 321s weren't part of Silverlink Metro so they had nothing to do with 378s. 350s directly replaced most of them

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Silverlink 321s weren't part of Silverlink Metro so they had nothing to do with 378s. 350s directly replaced most of them

See the OP's first post. the second one he travelled in was ex-Metro

 

[swt_passenger]

The thread subject is back to front isn't it? NXEA are the ones using Silverlink stock...

But anyway, the 'Silverlink County' 321s all had posters up inside for the Metro routes if I remember right.

It doesn't have any more significance than that really, certainly doesn't make them Metro units...

 

[MCR247]

See the OP's first post. the second one he travelled in was ex-Metro

Well considering that the 313s have gone to southern and the 508s in storage, it was just another 321

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Well considering that the 313s have gone to southern and the 508s in storage, it was just another 321

I have no idea what you just said, but somehow it sounds reassuring (I dont do rolling stock )

 

[MCR247]

Silverlink basically ran what now its two franchises:

Silverlink County - London Midland Birmingham - London route. Using Class 321s and later Class 350/1s
Silverlink Metro ran the NLL, WLL and Watford DC, using class 313s and Class 508s. Which is now LO

No silverlink metro stock has been sent to NXEA. The former Silverlink and LO class 313s are with Southern now, (see the thread on no toilets on Brighton - Portsmouth) and the Class 508s are in storage at Eastleigh I think

The only stock NXEA has received is Class 321s from Silverlink county

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Silverlink basically ran what now its two franchises:

Silverlink County - London Midland Birmingham - London route. Using Class 321s and later Class 350/1s
Silverlink Metro ran the NLL, WLL and Watford DC, using class 313s and Class 508s. Which is now LO

No silverlink metro stock has been sent to NXEA. The former Silverlink and LO class 313s are with Southern now, (see the thread on no toilets on Brighton - Portsmouth) and the Class 508s are in storage at Eastleigh I think

The only stock NXEA has received is Class 321s from Silverlink county

I knew about the old network, just not about the stock distribution after Thanks

 

[W-on-Sea]

Hmm, it was a 321 that used to serve the St Albans Abbey branch, wasn't it? (Maybe less of an overprovision than putting one of them on Romford-Upminster, but still.) I can't remember if that line counted as "Metro" or "County" under the wholly unlamented Silverlink regime. Purely from a geographical point of view it'd might well have been "metro" - hence a practical need to include some reference to the metro network on the 321s that otherwise ran on "county" services.

 

[googolplex]

Last Tuesday morning I saw a Silverlink liveried 321 (321 420) heading north through St Neots ECS, and then saw it stopped at the top end of Platform 3 at Peterborough. What's the story with that one?

 

[Fred26]

A guess this; FCC have got/are getting a few more 321's. That may have been one. Like I said, just a guess.

One thing I do dislike about the LM/Silverlink 321's is the seating layout. First of all the first class area is half a carriage as opposed to just a third (I'm not a fan of 1st class sections on commuter services), but the other thing is the way the standard class seats are laid out. Unless you board at the beginning of the journey, you'll almost certainly have to sit facing someone else. I really hate that.

Still, I'm glad that FCC have got some in services and are getting some more to go into service. There should be big timetable changes in December.

 

[jon0844]

At the opposite end to first class are a few airline seats so you won't have to face anyone!!

Check when first class is declassified, as first class is very nice on the 321s - possibly nicer than the 365s (more room) and, well, anything is better than the 317s.

That is indeed one of the 10-or-so 321s FCC now have. You'll see more of them in use soon, allowing 313s to be moved to strengthen the few remaining 3-car services to/from Moorgate.

 

[YorkshireBear]

apparently there were three 321's off lease, northern and FCC were battling for them with FCC winning i think they were all ex silverlink

 

[swt_passenger]

That is indeed one of the 10-or-so 321s FCC now have. You'll see more of them in use soon, allowing 313s to be moved to strengthen the few remaining 3-car services to/from Moorgate.

13 units in total after the last three that were off lease were added, and the number of ex LO313s reduced pro rata. (ie 3 x 321 = 4 x 313 = 12 vehicles.)

 

[jon0844]

FCC gets the extra 313s it needs simply by using 321s on the services currently run with 313s out of King's Cross in the peaks. Seems to solve the problem perfectly, given the need for more 313s on a route that can't use anything else, while we have 6-car services running when a 4-car may be enough.

It also saves FCC from having to do quite a lot of work on other 313s to bring them up to the same standard.

Of course, I'd like to see FCC say they'll refresh the 313s to that of the 'new' Southern ones, but that clearly won't happen with only a few years left on the franchise and rumours of London Overground ultimately taking over the Moorgate service - hopefully with an all-new fleet of trains.

 

[Fred26]

I thought FCC were getting a few 313's from London Overground too.

 

[jon0844]

If they are, that's fine, but I don't think they need them if they can move the ones they've got - the new 321s should allow that.

There aren't that many 3-car services in the peaks at the moment (and the ones that are seem to be followed soon after by a 6-car), so unless they're adding a lot of all-new services then how many do they actually need?

 

[Fred26]

No idea. I do know that 'a number of services will be strengthened from 4 to 8-car trains and some 8-car trains will be made up to 12's'. (From the FCC MD)

 

[jon0844]

A few 321s have been in service for a while, but I think they'll be okay with the stock they have. They can stand in for some 313s and extend some other sets to 12-car. I am not sure they intend to run that many 12-car services, and they will split them on their return journey I presume.

Still, the more trains they can get the better. They do have a Silverlink 313 at Hornsey at the moment, so it's possible they are getting some.

 

[Fred26]

They were given five 321's, to be kept as 2x8-car and 1x4-car and will be given eight more 321's for use in the upcoming timetable. That's if I recall correctly.
I haven't heard about the 321's replacing any 313's, just that FCC will have extra 313's too.

 

[swt_passenger]

FCC gets the extra 313s it needs simply by using 321s on the services currently run with 313s out of King's Cross in the peaks. Seems to solve the problem perfectly, given the need for more 313s on a route that can't use anything else, while we have 6-car services running when a 4-car may be enough.

FCC definitely also gets three 313s from LO. The 41 extra vehicles they announced in March consisted of 8 x 321 and 3 x 313

18.3.2010 Thousands more seats for London's rail passengers

(At that time there had already been 5 x 321 transferred and already in use.)

 

[NXEA!]

Yes the last post is correct. But by my reckoning that will leave just 1 313 spare including the 19 cascaded to southern out of the 23 that have been released. I doubt Southern need an extra 313 so I wouldve thought it would make sense for FCC to take the extra set and put it to good use, seems a shame a perfectly useable 313 will be going for storage/offlease.

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes the last post is correct. But by my reckoning that will leave just 1 313 spare including the 19 cascaded to southern out of the 23 that have been released. I doubt Southern need an extra 313 so I wouldve thought it would make sense for FCC to take the extra set and put it to good use, seems a shame a perfectly useable 313 will be going for storage/offlease.

I'm glad you agreed with my explanation, I could only find one other solution to 4x + 3y = 41, and that was x = 5 and y = 7 - which we know isn't right because the number of 321s went up by 3...

I agree about the last unit, having one train left over is no practical use to the Rosco at all. Maybe they should have done a 'lease 19 get a 20th free' deal with SN...

 

[DjU]

NXEA hasn't repainted or refurbished these yet

Whilst its true they haven't been refurbed, over half have been repainted during overhaul.

As of today 9 have been re-liveried (7 in NX Silver & White, 2 in NX White), 3 are in the process (3rd of these went off to be done today, these will be NX White) and only 5 are still in left in Silverlink livery.

Last Tuesday morning I saw a Silverlink liveried 321 (321 420) heading north through St Neots ECS, and then saw it stopped at the top end of Platform 3 at Peterborough. What's the story with that one?

As the above posts point out, this unit is one of the 13 units FCC now have.
401-410 & 418-420

 

[387star]

Will FCC refurbish the ex OV class 313s?

Shame LM and NXEA do nothing to ex Silverlink 321 interiors as these date from as built (early 1990s) ?

 

[Aictos]

FCC are currently refreshing the former LOROL 313s as one is currently in Doncaster to be refurbished with the other two at Hornsey being reliveried.

 

[MCR247]

Will FCC refurbish the ex OV class 313s?

Shame LM and NXEA do nothing to ex Silverlink 321 interiors as these date from as built (early 1990s) ?

NXEA: But as are the rest apart from one which was refurbished as an experiment(?)

LM: Well if they can get more desiros they may not need them for that long