usualmidlander
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Has anyone got any idea what will happen to Network Rail employees? Nothing about staff has been mentioned in the documents, proved worrying especially for new starters at Network Rail
The specification has been publicly controlled, but actual commercial decisions have been largely the gift of the TOC. Infrastructure has been publicly owned (except for certain sections rather recently). The rolling stock has been privately owned. It's neither fully privatised nor fully nationalised.There seems to be endless confusion about terminology. Since "Privatisation" ownership of passenger rail operations has always been state owned, let on a fixed contract to a private operator. At the end of the contract operating rights revert to the owner - the state.
Is that privatised? If I rent your house do I own it?
There is an internal statement from Andrew Haines and a FAQ on NR Yammer about the impact on NR.Has anyone got any idea what will happen to Network Rail employees? Nothing about staff has been mentioned in the documents, proved worrying especially for new starters at Network Rail
Any idea what the NR statement says? Not back at work for over a week.The specification has been publicly controlled, but actual commercial decisions have been largely the gift of the TOC. Infrastructure has been publicly owned (except for certain sections rather recently). The rolling stock has been privately owned. It's neither fully privatised nor fully nationalised.
There is an internal statement from Andrew Haines and a FAQ on NR Yammer about the impact on NR.
Agreed, I think the simplistic nationalisation versus privatisation argument is far too narrowThere seems to be endless confusion about terminology. Since "Privatisation" ownership of passenger rail operations has always been state owned, let on a fixed contract to a private operator. At the end of the contract operating rights revert to the owner - the state.
Is that privatised? If I rent your house do I own it?
They EU is well on the way for all rail services to be tendered periodically, even if the contract is won by the same or another publicly-owned operator.The actual services will be still be run by private companies. As far as I know, whilst it is normal for some train services to be contracted out, all EU member states still have most services run by a state owned train company. Some EU member states still have no private operators.
They EU is well on the way for all rail services to be tendered periodically, even if the contract is won by the same or another publicly-owned operator.
(eg Greek national operator OSE is owned by FS (Trenitalia)).
Even your state operator will be on a limited term licence (eg 10 years for NS in the Netherlands).
All states do, or will, allow open access.
Just read the statement and FAQ and to be honest with you, seems like they haven’t got a clue either what will happen to employees. I guess we’re just at their mercy and the union’sAny idea what the NR statement says? Not back at work for over a week.
It is, and I think that is ideology over practicality and very much a bad side of the EU.
Where did you find it. ThanksJust read the statement and FAQ and to be honest with you, seems like they haven’t got a clue either what will happen to employees. I guess we’re just at their mercy and the union’s
The irony of that statement, which may well be in the main true, is that the EU policy on rail was to a large extent driven by a previous (Tory) UK government.I presume that this proposed reorganisation, with direct state control of what passenger rail services are run and ticket prices, has only been possible as the UK is no longer a member of the EU, given their policy on rail competition.
On MyconnectWhere did you find it. Thanks
Shush!The irony of that statement, which may well be in the main true, is that the EU policy in rail was to a large extent driven by a previous Tory UK government.
Why couldn't any business do that, whenever they please, anyway?TUPE only protects your T&Cs at the point of transfer. There is nothing to stop a business afterwards immediately doing a British Gas style re-org.
Why couldn't any business do that, whenever they please, anyway?
Trainlines share price has dropped 25% todaySuggests it's also replacing the Trainline... is the Government is buying them out?
So you genuinely believe all of that is possible prior to the end of 2021? I want some of what you are smoking! Considering the amount of time and hoop jumping it takes just to get a new starter on board there is no chance of that happening. Consider the amount of consultation etc that requires.Hi,
There are many rumours and bits of information from union reps who attended the talks with NR
What is clear, NR mid negotiation walked away and refused to discuss job cut reduction any further
The main theories from the signalling world is -
Aside from the compulsory redundancies which are set for this summer/autumn (there is a headcount target per devolved region)., all NR remaining staff will have their contracts cease at the end of 2021.
They will be offered GBR contracts on different (worse) T&Cs.
NR have let slip in one of the negotiations they are taking a keen interest in how British Gas carried out their fire and re hire re-organisation.
TSSA are asking questions which consultancy NR are using for this re-org, it’s rumoured to be the same one British Gas had hired for advise.
TUPE only protects at the point of transfer.That was my initial thoughts.
The irony of that statement, which may well be in the main true, is that the EU policy on rail was to a large extent driven by a previous (Tory) UK government.
Glad to hear the plans for standardisation and branding simplified. Its been bonkers over the past years.
Also mentions about improving seats.
Trainlines share price has dropped 25% today
Hi,So you genuinely believe all of that is possible prior to the end of 2021? I want some of what you are smoking! Considering the amount of time and hoop jumping it takes just to get a new starter on board there is no chance of that happening. Consider the amount of consultation etc that requires.
ExactlyEU rail policy is to a large extent based on the privatisation of British Rail in the 1990s, although TOCs can be state-owned.
I was so excited for nationalisation but unfortunately this isnt it. What a disappointment. Most commuters won't know a difference. For example GTR already have their fares set by the gov.
Just read the statement and FAQ and to be honest with you, seems like they haven’t got a clue either what will happen to employees. I guess we’re just at their mercy and the union’s
DBS being...?Worth noting in the Guardian on Saturday, in the Telegraph today, both stating Network Rail job cuts are coming.
DBS no cuts planned, if anything more staff required!
DB Schenker...?DBS being...?
I see this quoted occasionally but can't find anything that backs it up. Is there a source?The irony of that statement, which may well be in the main true, is that the EU policy on rail was to a large extent driven by a previous (Tory) UK government.
Video message from Grant Shapps MP here:
YesDB Schenker...?