Doctor Fegg
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Confirmed by Geoff Marshall that it missed by 21s: https://twitter.com/geofftech/status/1405519614692315143
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WelshBluebird
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Can't actually find the tweet I saw now, but as others have posted Geoff has now tweeted out the same so assume it to be true.
Sooo close!
hexagon789
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GeoffTech confirms - 21 seconds behind the APT-P record
D6130
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What a shame....but why on earth did they depart Euston a minute early? Next week perhaps?
Nova1
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People beginning to say the record was just missed by 21 seconds https://twitter.com/geofftech/status/1405519614692315143?s=20
hexagon789
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At least they have the luxury of a second attempt. And perhaps with having the experience of using modified braking points etc that can be used to better things next time.
RailAleFan
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A reply to Geoff's tweet mentioned OLE issues at Stafford - I watched it come through and didn't think they were at line speed...
Good luck for take #2!
Good luck for take #2!
Statto
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Carstairs was key too, lost a minute going through there which was crucial in the end.
I forgot about that.
rower40
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APT-P record survives. Another vindication of building local trains for local lines. (rather than buying in from FORRIN.)
(But seriously...)
Could it be that the safety regime is tighter these days - such as no overspeeding allowed?
(But seriously...)
Could it be that the safety regime is tighter these days - such as no overspeeding allowed?
hexagon789
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As I said at the beginning part of me was willing it to lose so the APT-P record could still stand - 36 and a hakf years on. Were too many people willing the same!Nationalised Railway 1 - Privatised Railway 0
Also I think the minute early start (or however early it was) was also an issue, it needed to stay early but it ended up back on scheduled timings. If it kept exactly one minute early it would have beaten the record by 39 seconds.
Couldn’t agree more, always a grumpy whinging on about anything and everything
Statto
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Or just one or 2 issues, OHLE damage at Stafford just before the train went through which hindered the attempt, then going through Carstairs, i think it can be done without those issues & another attempt next week.
hexagon789
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TASS for one thing supervising the EPS speeds.
Also TPWS.
If one looks at the APT-P log it ran at slightly over 125mph in many places. Up to 130.
Also remember the APT-P record suffered a dead stand for an intermittent track circuit failure at Stafford, that cost 5 mins but it still brat it's scheduled timings back then. One could argue that really the Pendolino needs to better 3h47m40s to truly look the APT-P in the eye.
dk1
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Same again next week? 
hexagon789
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Well - only if you want it to lose again!Same again next week?
Dave W
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I'd be interested to know what, if anything, happened at Carstairs, as there was nothing in front of it. Maybe that section of the timetable was simply too tight to achieve?
Some of those on board are stating a temporary speed restriction at Carstairs.
hexagon789
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The APT-P had to deal with 6 TSRs on its run
Failed Unit
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That is a pity, but it also shows how bold the attempt is. Keeping 401 miles of operation railway clear is a big challenge.
I wonder if they should attempt it overnight?
nlogax
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Well - only if you want it to lose again!
Today shows how difficult this sort of thing is on the modern railway that's busier and with different safety standards. I wonder if / when this will be attempted again!
hexagon789
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Get the staff to pre-treat the rails with liberal quantities of sandite gel?
Plausible - work is going on there.
dk1
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Unfortunately with todays standards I fear you are right. Nobody takes risks anymore even if they are just small furry ones.Well - only if you want it to lose again!
hexagon789
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Next week. A second run was already scheduled as a back up if the first run didn't succeed.
Today shows how difficult this sort of thing is on the modern railway that's busier and with different safety standards. I wonder if / when this will be attempted again!
Unless you mean in terms of the future, possibly with different traction?
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