What was the weather like for the APT run?Get the staff to pre-treat the rails with liberal quantities of sandite gel?
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KashmireHawker
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Overnight would surely make it much easier, with the relatively limited running on the network late on.
21 seconds out is sheer bad luck and if they are doing a Take-2 next week, I hope it works out!
Peterthegreat
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Today's run was ten minutes quicker from Euston to Crewe but ten minutes slower from Preston to Glasgow. The APT had to cope with a dead stand at Queensville, TSRs leaving Euston, at Rugby, Colwich, Lancaster and Motherwell and a much slower speed through Crewe.
Apart from all the freight!
d9009alycidon
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English Company, cant be seen to succeed in Scotland, wee Nicola was seen out smearing oil on the track at Carstairs, record would have been broken if Scotland had independence
Failed Unit
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Trouble is it could be different issues next week, now it has got the press it just takes a moron to trespass (taking photos) and it is dead again
nlogax
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hexagon789
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I assume the driver did run in boost mode all the way for one?
There are a few things i would like to know:
- was 128 authorised in places as per 2006
- did leaving early have a negative effect
- I assume TPWS was not isolated at the arrival platform at Glasgow Central, but would it help if it was? I understand the previous Brighton speed run had TPWS isolated at the arrival platform to allow a quicker entry.
Failed Unit
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Easier to loop / divert - less people complain.
Bertie the bus
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The APT probably played a large part in this failure. If it hadn't been for Tim Dunn and his model APT those few fewer grams would have got it there within the time.As I said at the beginning part of me was willing it to lose so the APT-P record could still stand - 36 and a hakf years on. Were too many people willing the same!
I can assure you the freight companies would complain more than any passengers have today!
hexagon789
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It was in mid-December not midsummer but I don't know where one can look up old weather reports
KashmireHawker
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FAILURE is confirmed! A time of 3 hours, 53 minutes and 1.12 Seconds.
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hexagon789
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It is a shame but there is still next week
Avanti West Coast is owned 70% by Scottish company FirstGroup and 30% by the Italian State Railways.
notlob.divad
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Honestly, I think that might be the best run they can get on the current railway. Everything was kept out of the way. The OHLE 'issue' at Stafford seemed to be over the otherside of the station and they brought everything else to a stand to let the record attempt wizz through, and it didn't appear to loose time there. Carstairs was where it did genuinely seem to loose time, but you can guarantee if it had got through there it would have been an issue somewhere else. A valiant effort, but at a guess I suspect next weeks attempt will run into simialr issues somewhere and we will have to wait until HS2 tracks to get a new London-Glasgow record.
Statto
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According to the tweets the OHLE did affect the train as they felt it wasn't at line speed going through the affected area, there was also an issue going through Carstairs
With how tight the timing difference was, could they theoretically convince Network Rail to let them (safely) go a bit over usual line speeds if they do a next run? Obviously would add to all the complications and planning, but would better secure them the 'win'.
Failed Unit
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I was on the 0540 Edinburgh - London on the first day, they were trying to get it in on time. I am not sure if they kept things out the way for it as well, but things were going so well until we got to the congested bit south of Stevenage.
There is so much that can go against you on the day. The don't have PW at every level crossing for example.
This is definitely a good challenge, even the APT had to stop and restart at a red signal. (probably also had everything moved out the way)
Probably not with any passengers on board. But have the 390s not gone at 135mph on NR metals during their testing?
From Carlisle to Glasgow, going by Real Time trains, it lost 3.5-4 mins on the Heavens Angels previous record attempt, and that was on old speed limits, looks like getting into Glasgow Central scuppered it, if it could do Carlisle-Glasgow in 62 mins, then it could have been sub 3hrs 50 mins,
if remember correctly the 390047 run, gained a minute from Glasgow central to Eglington Street, and the 390047 run had a few TSR’s to comply with, and Rugby 75mph-125mph now, Tamworth 105mph-125mph now, Litchfield 105mph-125mph now, Norton bridge 90mph-115mph now,,Beattock Summit area 95-105mph now, and maybe other bits too, so the improvements could be worth say 3-4 mins over the 390047 run, RailPerf or someone else can probably work out what the improvements are worth in time, so i think sub 3hrs 50 mins should be do able with perfect run.
if remember correctly the 390047 run, gained a minute from Glasgow central to Eglington Street, and the 390047 run had a few TSR’s to comply with, and Rugby 75mph-125mph now, Tamworth 105mph-125mph now, Litchfield 105mph-125mph now, Norton bridge 90mph-115mph now,,Beattock Summit area 95-105mph now, and maybe other bits too, so the improvements could be worth say 3-4 mins over the 390047 run, RailPerf or someone else can probably work out what the improvements are worth in time, so i think sub 3hrs 50 mins should be do able with perfect run.
The Realtime Trains timings have been augmented since earlier on to reflect accuracies of a quarter of a minute throughout, at https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:S00619/2021-06-17/detailed#allox_id=0 and attached.
These still aren't as precise as the timings reported above of course.
These still aren't as precise as the timings reported above of course.
D6130
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English company? First Group - based in Aberdeen - in a consortium with Trenitalia - based in Rome. I think not!
They would need to convince themselves first.
LNW-GW Joint
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It will all be irrelevant in about 7 years time when they can use HS2 for the first 150-odd miles and aim at something like 3h25m.
And go to Edinburgh and beat the best ECML time...
Not with a 390 though.
hexagon789
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3h59m29s KGX-EDB will take some beating, impossible with a 125mph ceiling that's for sure!
Statto
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It could have done it if it wasn't for a couple of issues, seems it had to slow down at Stafford for OHLE & speed & at Carstairs[not sure what the speed limit is through Carstairs for expresses, seemed to have to go slower than normal line speed], plus it failed by only 21 seconds, it is possible to do, needs a clear run with no issues such as OHLE.
Wonder if it's better trying an overnight run, one time if there's no maintenance taking place?
ABB125
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Out of interest, how did you create that pdf?
It’s 400miles, there’s always some maintenance somewhere. Also lots of freight and a couple of sleepers in the way.
Safari on Mac, File/Export as PDF...
If you’re on iOS, tap the share button in safari, go to print the webpage, and then pinch to zoom in on the print preview. That generates a pdf which you can then share to files or somewhere else. Not very user discoverable!
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