As part of the timetable change and the reintroduction of an all day Cardiff - Holyhead service, 2 MKIV sets are now booked in service every day working 3 round trips between them.
Diagram 1:
1W91 06:45 CDF-HHD
1V96 11:33 HHD-CDF
1W96 17:16 CDF-HHD
Diagram 2:
1V91 05:33 HHD-CDF
1W93 11:22 CDF-HHD
1V98 16:36 HHD-CDF
I think it could be 150259What 150 is being done after 242?
I think it could be 150259
Half of it is outside canton by the South Wales line towards Swansea and is visible
153 922 left Landore today as the latest 153 to undergo PRM Lite and repaint.
153 935 came in on a slip move and joins 153 913 on works undergoing these mods.
That's 6 units now that have had PRM Lite completed: 906, 926, 921, 909, 910 & 922
Are these the 153s that are going to remain in Wales long term?
At the moment not 918, 968, 972 and 982 so they will not be given a lite PRM. I say at the moment as a caveat
Thank you very much.
I have been doing an audit of what I require for haulage, and of the Wales 153s, it is 320 and 935 (335) that are required (assuming 320 has not been one that has gone for scrap).
At the moment not 918, 968, 972 and 982 so they will not be given a lite PRM. I say at the moment as a caveat
These 4 units are now owned by TfW and will be getting PRM mods after the last of the 9 Porterbrook units are complete.
Great to hear this.These 4 units are now owned by TfW and will be getting PRM mods after the last of the 9 Porterbrook units are complete.
According to an article in Today’s Railway UK 3 or 4 months ago, it will be the full PRM mods including the toilet. Their dispensation is until the end of the year whilst the lite ones are until the end of this month. However, we shall see.Thanks Mike. Glad to see they will be wanted long term after all. I take it these will be Lite Mods
According to an article in Today’s Railway UK 3 or 4 months ago, it will be the full PRM mods including the toilet. Their dispensation is until the end of the year whilst the lite ones are until the end of this month. However, we shall see.
It seems pointless TfW purchasing these units, even if they are to get the full PRM mods. If its just PRM lite then it's even more pointless!These 4 units are now owned by TfW and will be getting PRM mods after the last of the 9 Porterbrook units are complete.
Before you set off on a rant, maybe better to look at what is going on?It seems pointless TfW purchasing these units, even if they are to get the full PRM mods. If its just PRM lite then it's even more pointless!
They would be better off purchasing the ones that originally had the full PRM mods and letting these 4 go. Although TfW need as many units as they can get, the balance of having 2 units in Landore will come to an end soon so by getting rid of the last 4 they are only effectively 2 units down. Long term the PRM lite units can't be used anyway unless some kind of long term dispensation is granted to allow them to continue to run attached.
Unless of course the original 153s with full PRM have expensive leases on. But surely a renegotiation could be done as they would be destined for scrap anyway and avoid the cost of mods.
TFW are doing there best to get extra units that they can utilise, it seems no matter what that try to do they can't win.Before you set off on a rant, maybe better to look at what is going on?
As a reminder...
TfW have bought 11 153s from Angel, of which one has gone for scrap after spares recovery (302) and another is for spares (374). The other nine are split:
- already fully PRM modified: 303/312/327/353/362
- not yet PRM modified: 918/962/972/982
The rest of the fleet is Porterbrook owned:
- fully PRM modified: 320/323/325/329/333/361/367/369
- PRM lite completed/in progress: 906/909/910/913/921/922/926/935
- not modified, PRM lite to be done: 914
Before you ask about buying Porterbrook units, perhaps they don't want to sell?
I think you've missed my point, which is I can't see why TfW needed to purchase these units that only have a limited life cycle left, rather than just continuing to lease them and being able to hand them back once they aren't needed anymore.Before you set off on a rant, maybe better to look at what is going on?
As a reminder...
TfW have bought 11 153s from Angel, of which one has gone for scrap after spares recovery (302) and another is for spares (374). The other nine are split:
- already fully PRM modified: 303/312/327/353/362
- not yet PRM modified: 918/962/972/982
The rest of the fleet is Porterbrook owned:
- fully PRM modified: 320/323/325/329/333/361/367/369
- PRM lite completed/in progress: 906/909/910/913/921/922/926/935
- not modified, PRM lite to be done: 914
Before you ask about buying Porterbrook units, perhaps they don't want to sell?
Again, missed my point. The 153s have definitely been worthwhile having, even the non PRM units.TFW are doing there best to get extra units that they can utilise, it seems no matter what that try to do they can't win.
They seem to be in a no win situation, they are short of units but they get units and people complain. Looking at the condition of a lot of the extra 153's I can see why TFW are giving them mini refurbs.
They haven't been looked after very well and they have lots of issues and lack compatibility with the existing TFW units they couple up to.
I can't see the leases on the 153's being expensive considering many were sat in sidings unused, so the Roscos will probably just be happy for them being used.
Plus they are just stop gaps until the new rolling stock comes into service.
I thought the 153s (or some of them at least, not sure which ones) are no-longer planned to leave TfW any time soon since the plan to put 170s on the Heart Of Wales has been scrapped in favour of keeping 153s on the route long-term...I think you've missed my point, which is I can't see why TfW needed to purchase these units that only have a limited life cycle left, rather than just continuing to lease them and being able to hand them back once they aren't needed anymore.
Rather than also going through the expense of giving the remaining 4 full PRM mods it would make more sense to extend the lease on 4 porterbrook units. It's unlikely any if these will find homes with other TOCs in the next year or two as the fleet swaps around the UK would be in a better position by then.
Again, missed my point. The 153s have definitely been worthwhile having, even the non PRM units.
But the time and expense of continuing the PRM mods seems unnecessary once these last 2 come out of Landore.
The original additions from WMR and GWR were taken on when 153s will still in higher demand because they were needed to replace Pacers and the long line of units that hadn't had PRM mods across the country in time for the deadline, affecting a few TOCs.
The latest additions to the TfW fleet were taken in desperation because of the heavily delayed 230 and 769 introductions.
That's what I heard after the departure of the 170 unitsI thought the 153s (or some of them at least, not sure which ones) are no-longer planned to leave TfW any time soon since the plan to put 170s on the Heart Of Wales has been scrapped in favour of keeping 153s on the route long-term...
That's what I heard after the departure of the 170 units
Only one Class 170 has moved to EMR, 170 273.Have all of the former Anglia 170s now gone to East Midlands?
I am trying to do an audit of what is required for haulage and in which part of the UK.
Only one Class 170 has moved to EMR, 170 273.
The rest won't be moving anywhere until TfW start introducing new rolling stock.
The plan is for 8 or 9 153s to be retained for the Heart of Wales services: it is reasonable to assume that this is why TfW has bought those 153s from Angel - they are part of the long-term fleet. Release of the 170s has been made possible by the retention of the 153s and the acquisition of the extra four Mark 4 sets: so it's 28 or 29 vehicles into the long-term fleet with 32 170 vehicles leaving (although the 170s have never been fully diagrammed in any case).I thought the 153s (or some of them at least, not sure which ones) are no-longer planned to leave TfW any time soon since the plan to put 170s on the Heart Of Wales has been scrapped in favour of keeping 153s on the route long-term...
They are indeed planned to work HOWL. But there's only so long these will last. They are a stop gap for a few years until a decision is made as to what traction will work HOWL long term.I thought the 153s (or some of them at least, not sure which ones) are no-longer planned to leave TfW any time soon since the plan to put 170s on the Heart Of Wales has been scrapped in favour of keeping 153s on the route long-term...
If* they've bought them for a low price, potentially effectively scrap value seeing as nobody else wanted and after using them can still sell for scrap value and save all the leasing costs in the meantime plus getting spares from 302 and 374 it seems like a sensible bit of business.They are indeed planned to work HOWL. But there's only so long these will last. They are a stop gap for a few years until a decision is made as to what traction will work HOWL long term.
Yep, that seems reasonable. Even more reasonable (and what I thought might be the case) would be that the 8 or 9 class 153 being purchased by TfW and retained long-term were taken from the 13 (? - I forget the exact number) that received full PRM mods as part of the original TfW-RS plan before all the extra units (eg. Porterbrook 769 compensation) were added.The plan is for 8 or 9 153s to be retained for the Heart of Wales services: it is reasonable to assume that this is why TfW has bought those 153s from Angel - they are part of the long-term fleet.