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Disruption to services - Storm Dudley & Storm Eunice

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Update on the SWR network:

I have arrived Southampton Airport on a rail replacement bus along with about a dozen of passengers. It's known that the line is blocked at Winchester but the temporary replacement bus to Basingstoke can't be arranged yet, and the staff says no onward connection from here, and nothing guaranteed until noon. Passengers asked for if there are any National Express coaches available but they are from Southampton Central, and the staff called the office if a taxi can be sent to carry passengers to the town centre.
 
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How did the Great Western hold up? I saw the Cheltenham services were all canceled.
First GWR service from Paddington expected to be 1002 to Bristol TM.

Only HEX and TfL Rail running at the moment
 

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Does anyone know if the WCML is clear between Crewe and Euston? AWC is showing services running but not sure how accurate that info is, as they showed services running yesterday also…
No idea really except that National Rail Enquiries shows (for Lancaster to Euston) all cancelled until a 10:38 to Euston; then similar an hour later. Allegedly Preston station may re-open mid-morning and meanwhile replacement road transport is being provided between Wigan NW, Preston and Lancaster.

At Lancaster, Northern are running some Barrow - Lancaster services as well as to/from Oxenholme and also Skipton.

No sign of Avanti or TransPennine; even though the WCML seems open to/from Carlisle and last night trains did occasionally pass Preston non-stop..
 

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No idea really except that National Rail Enquiries shows (for Lancaster to Euston) all cancelled until a 10:38 to Euston; then similar an hour later. Allegedly Preston station may re-open mid-morning and meanwhile replacement road transport is being provided between Wigan NW, Preston and Lancaster.

At Lancaster, Northern are running some Barrow - Lancaster services as well as to/from Oxenholme and also Skipton.

No sign of Avanti or TransPennine; even though the WCML seems open to/from Carlisle and last night trains did occasionally pass Preston non-stop..
I regularly catch the 0659 Nuneaton to Euston (which originates from Liverpool) and NRE has this as currently on time.
 

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Does anyone know if the WCML is clear between Crewe and Euston? AWC is showing services running but not sure how accurate that info is, as they showed services running yesterday also…
on the 0606 Avanti to Glasgow out of euston , which was running fine until Leighton Buzzard , stopped here since 640 for " checks to OLE "

southbound LNR services have passed and seem to be fine
 

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GA have already cancelled everything off Cambridge and Stansted until 8am tomorrow morning; they haven't done that for any other lines yet.

GN services aren't cancelled yet but all have 'do not travel' next to them in NRs journey planner.

I'm wondering if there is some serious damage, or suspected serious damage at least, in the Cambridge area. Just a hunch, maybe entirely wrong.
From Great Northern's twitter feed https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1494869804758482947 at 3am this morning:
  • Services will not run between Kings Lynn – Kings Cross today
  • Services will not run between Ely – Kings Cross today
and at 6am https://twitter.com/Ben70381064/status/1494914544484896772:
  • Are you running any services from Ely to Cambridge today?
  • Hi there. These services will be suspended for the entirety of the day. ^AlexM
Normally they're quite good at getting an Ely to Cambridge shuttle going even if the rest of line is completely broken, so I have a hunch that your hunch might be right!
 
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Very little running on SWR this morning and not surprised. Big tree right across platforms at Bracknell and when I walked through Martins Heron around 5pm another one dangling over the platform there. And that is just a couple. Probably as hard to find tree surgeons as it is buses, don't expect a quick restoration especially with similar weather for the next few days when those already weakened by Eunice come down with the next little breeze.
 

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I doubt it. Probably some ECS proving trips at first light then see how it goes.
That looks like what they are doing as I can see on the maps GA have some ECS trips that have departed Ipswich a short while ago heading to Felxistowe, Lowestoft and Peterborough.
 

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That looks like what they are doing as I can see on the maps GA have some ECS trips that have departed Ipswich a short while ago heading to Felxistowe, Lowestoft and Peterborough.

In Greater Anglia land the empty Ipswich - Felixstowe train has returned to Ipswich in passenger service. Journey check has the East Suffolk reopening with the 09:06 Lowestoft - Ipswich and the mainline with the 08:00 Norwich - Shenfield (as scheduled due to engineering works).

Given the recent closure due to flooding it is good to see that the 07:50 Norwich - Lowestoft will also run.
 

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Nothing at Eastbourne at all… trains turning at Hampden Park. Only services are Brighton-Lewes-Hampden Park-Bexhill thus far.

Station still shut this morning.
 

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I regularly catch the 0659 Nuneaton to Euston (which originates from Liverpool) and NRE has this as currently on time.
Looks to be some delay South of Nuneaton, said train lost 26 minutes between Nuneaton and Watford Junction. Looking at RTT the time seems to have been lost around Milton Keynes.
 

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From Great Northern's twitter feed https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1494869804758482947 at 3am this morning:
  • Services will not run between Kings Lynn – Kings Cross today
  • Services will not run between Ely – Kings Cross today
and at 6am https://twitter.com/Ben70381064/status/1494914544484896772:
  • Are you running any services from Ely to Cambridge today?
  • Hi there. These services will be suspended for the entirety of the day. ^AlexM
Normally they're quite good at getting an Ely to Cambridge shuttle going even if the rest of line is completely broken, so I have a hunch that your hunch might be right!
Could be the bits either side.

XC have ran a Cambridge- Leicester service. Ely - Kings Lynn does badly in win. GN say numerous problems from letchworth - Cambridge. The sadly for people from Ely think XC can cover Ely.
 

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Could be the bits either side.

XC have ran a Cambridge- Leicester service. Ely - Kings Lynn does badly in win. GN say numerous problems from letchworth - Cambridge. The sadly for people from Ely think XC can cover Ely.
EMR have been running their services to Ely this morning (engineering works Ely - Norwich). An empty unit is currently heading to Cambridge from Ipswich.
 

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Nothing at Eastbourne at all… trains turning at Hampden Park. Only services are Brighton-Lewes-Hampden Park-Bexhill thus far.

Station still shut this morning.
Eastbourne Station Roof was apparently damaged so it may take a bit longer to inspect and repair it if the wind hasn't died down. I hope they do repair it though, the station was always nice.
Services to London aren't running because of the blockade of Haywards Heath.
 

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Raft of cancellations on Thameslink north of the core this morning, but looks like the service improves after midday.
 

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Not at all, just pointing out people need to get to other places on other lines.

I am genuinely interested in how they were able to get the line going but not some of the others yet.

There will be a good reason for this and I'm just interested
Put simply, there are only so many resources to go round. The storm affected different areas to different degrees, and the characteristics of each line affected recovery.

The decision was made to prioritise the Brighton and Horsham routes over the East Coast way and North Downs Line. This provided the greatest capacity to clear congestion elsewhere on the network by permitting the highest number of 12-Car to trains to get out and running. Reigate and Redhill would not have provided the same capacity. People who's stations couldn't be reached had to organise taxis or use local buses, but that was happening on the BML itself as well as on branch lines.
 

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Broadly speaking the roads have remained open throughout

Apart from both Severn Bridges being closed, lorries blown onto their sides blocking motorways, buses running into falling trees.... Oh, and 3 people killed by trees striking their vehicles.

Continued running may see a handful of lines closed for, perhaps, a longer duration, but would the total number of disrupted journeys be the same? I don't claim to have a whole careers experience (I'm only a decade in), but I'd wager that there would be less cancellations.

If trains had continued to run, even if at a reduced level and at lower speed, there would have been far greater disruption: Sooner or later, trains would have struck trees or debris, and electric trains would have become stranded with the overhead wires (OLE) down. Then staff would have to be sent to attend to those incidents and, in still horrendous conditions, either make the trains fit to move, or more likely evacuate passengers onto the ballast and somehow get them, safely, to somewhere onward transport can, somehow, be arranged.

Then, removing an electric train which has struck say a tree and got its pantograph entangled with the OLE is a complex operation, requiring staff to go on top of the train to secure the pantograph down and make the OLE fit to run trains under. Something has to be sourced to haul the stricken train away, most likely a diesel loco which will require a Driver with route knowledge, firstly to go to the depot where an emergency coupling can be fitted, and then to get to the train, which may well be on a passenger-only route with therefore very few loco Drivers passed for the line, so needing another Driver to route-conduct them. And, an issue which affected such operations towards the end of my career was the operator of the assisting loco requiring their Driver to have 'traction handling experience', ie knowing how to haul a dead EMU !

Eventually this will all have been arranged, taking up a lot of resources, and Control time, and the stranded train will be removed. However, other incidents occurred during the severe weather but lines could not be examined because they were blocked by stranded trains, and the resources, locos, Drivers, OLE/PW staff etc required to carry out line exams, debris clearance and repairs had to be utilised to rescue those trains.

I remain in no doubt that Scotrail's decision did drastically reduce the overall level of disruption, the one thing I think could have been done differently was to advertise last train departure times, on key routes at least, eg 'Our services will shut down by 1600 today, the last train from Edinburgh Waverley to Glasgow Queen St will be the 1445, from Glasgow Central to Ayr the 1504', etc.
 

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There is major structural damage to Eastbourne station. No replacement buses available and the surrounding roads are still out of action. Looks like it’ll be a while until it returns to normal.
 

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There is major structural damage to Eastbourne station. No replacement buses available and the surrounding roads are still out of action. Looks like it’ll be a while until it returns to normal.

Oh dear. Hope it's fixed soon.

Up here, Northern seem to be running by far the better service compared to the rest.
 

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The magic, buses are always available scenario again, sorry most bus drivers are not going to come rushing out on a Saturday evening to help out the railway, and most bus owners are not going to ask them to, they value their drivers and vehicles too much.

I spoke to an Arriva driver yesterday who said his control hadn't really got any contingencies for his bus ending up stranded, and drivers were just told to get on with things and hope for the best. Given roads were also at risk from trees and debris, I think many weren't likely happy to be running and if something did happen then some rural operators may well have had a lot of cold passengers stranded in the middle of nowhere.

I am not surprised that rail replacement buses through a major weather event wasn't considered a great idea, especially when it would have encouraged more people to take the risk as there was a 'plan b' if the trains messed up.
 

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In Greater Anglia land the empty Ipswich - Felixstowe train has returned to Ipswich in passenger service. Journey check has the East Suffolk reopening with the 09:06 Lowestoft - Ipswich and the mainline with the 08:00 Norwich - Shenfield (as scheduled due to engineering works).

Given the recent closure due to flooding it is good to see that the 07:50 Norwich - Lowestoft will also run.
Looks like the 09:06/11:16 are now caped.

Norwich/Yarmouth/Lowestoft/Shenfield all up & running again.

Not sure whether Sheringham services will resume at 09:45 or not.
 

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Looks like TfW are looking to start services from 0930 today. Talks of proving runs around the network at first light. A few lines have reopened.

Bill Kelly from NR Wales has said there's still extensive rain expected today as well as wind warnings still in place.
 

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Looks like the 09:06/11:16 are now caped.

Norwich/Yarmouth/Lowestoft/Shenfield all up & running again.

Not sure whether Sheringham services will resume at 09:45 or not.
Sheringham line now open too :)
 

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First train has left Eastbourne. Station is open now albeit the side staffing entrance is the only way in or out (which was a very handy cut through before it was closed permanently). Main concourse is taped off.
 

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Put simply, there are only so many resources to go round. The storm affected different areas to different degrees, and the characteristics of each line affected recovery.
Spot on. As an example, yesterday four separate reports of trees blocking the line across Lincolnshire in the space of 40 minutes. The trees were blocking three different routes, but there's only a couple of first response (Mobile Ops Managers) staff on duty, per shift. They can request additional support from maintenance staff, but if it's trees that need removing then those staff also have to be competent in the uses of chainsaws etc.
 

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A bit annoying that GWR have announced no trains are running at all before 10am, so delayed a planned journey only to discover that actually every train from Swansea to London so far has actually run as planned, despite showing as cancelled on the GWR app and website…
 

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Lots of ongoing issues on Southeastern with a couple of new fallen trees hampering the reopening effort
 

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Just been flicking through Real Time Trains for Chester to see how disruption is today. Shocked to see a pair of LSL 47s still running on a tour up to Appleby, albeit 70mins late!
 
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