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Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

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Driven a few preserved vehicles like that, always forgot to turn them off. Bristol VRs were identical to that I think?
Also fitted to LRT Atlanteans up to and including the S-reg batch. A number were later converted to an indicator stalk, fitted to the steering column, to match the later (T-reg onward) examples.

Eastern's Seddon Pennine 7s had these indicator switches too.
 
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Also fitted to LRT Atlanteans up to and including the S-reg batch. A number were later converted to an indicator stalk, fitted to the steering column, to match the later (T-reg onward) examples.

Eastern's Seddon Pennine 7s had these indicator switches too.
All the Seddon's and Fleetlines had them as well as cable handbrakes. Seems antiquated now but it worked fine.
 

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All the Seddon's and Fleetlines had them as well as cable handbrakes. Seems antiquated now but it worked fine.
Most of the Seddons were later retrofitted with spring handbrakes. Not all, though, as the retrofit programme was halted just over halfway through and those yet to be done were sold.
 

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An indicator switch.
…and whilst you were using your right hand to keep that indicator on, you had to use your left hand to change gear - either with or without the use of your left leg!
Your third hand had to be kept on the wheel, so that you could vaguely point the bus in the right direction! o_O ;) :D
 

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An ex-LB Trident was completely destroyed by fire on the M58 near Kirkby this afternoon (15th February). Fortunately, all on board got off safely and there were no injuries. Such was the ferocity of the fire that the hard shoulder melted.

I think that’s the 3rd or 4th one that has been written off by fire now, 642, 658 and this one. I think one of the Xelabus ones did as well.
 

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I think that’s the 3rd or 4th one that has been written off by fire now, 642, 658 and this one. I think one of the Xelabus ones did as well.
There was 649 as well, I seem to recall. That one burnt out at Gretna Services. The fire also took out the two lorries which were parked either side of it.

638, if I'm correct, was the Xelabus one which met a fiery end.
 

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I think that’s the 3rd or 4th one that has been written off by fire now, 642, 658 and this one. I think one of the Xelabus ones did as well.
638, 642, 649, 658 and this one, which is more than likely one of either 639 or 672, have all been written off from fire. and over half of those have been lucky so see more than some glimpses of maroon on the skirt panels
 

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For discussion of the West Lothian Alliance award, please see this thread:
 

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638, 642, 649, 658 and this one, which is more than likely one of either 639 or 672, have all been written off from fire. and over half of those have been lucky so see more than some glimpses of maroon on the skirt panels
I like yourself came to the same two buses - 639 and 672. But I think it’s 639, only because the vehicle had more rollers (672 only retains the number rollers). If that was correct that’s another 52 plate to have caught fire. Used to travel on these to school all the time (some years ago) and there’s a fair few of them having been written off by fire now.
 

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The repaints of 351-400 have restarted - here's 361 with the revised rear end design with black paint (presumably to mimic glass) as seen on the ECB repaints.
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The repaints of 351-400 have restarted - here's 361 with the revised rear end design with black paint (presumably to mimic glass) as seen on the ECB repaints.
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I wasn't sure on the additional black on the rear of the Gemini 2s at first, but it's starting to grow on me. The new white/green livery for ECB and LC is a huge improvement in my opinion.
 

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The repaints of 351-400 have restarted - here's 361 with the revised rear end design with black paint (presumably to mimic glass) as seen on the ECB repaints.
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It looks so much better with the black. The black was applied in house by Lothian as 361 came back from repaint without it. Not sure if it’s black paint or a vinyl (logo and black all in one or two vinyls) either. If it was a vinyl sticker it would be good to see it applied to the rest of the Gemini2’s that don’t have it, however that sounds very unlikely.

I have a couple of pictures of 358 in service on the 23 this evening but the images will be too large to upload here.
 

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Which ones have still to be done then ?
368 (in Seafield for what is presumably prep work).
372 (which is away just now).

Then 373, 374, 375, 377, 378, 379, 381, 382, 383, 384 and 386 from the Lothian B9TL’s.

425 looks as if it will be getting repainted or rewrapped as well.

Then 553-566, 568-569 from the B5LH’s, 926-927 still carry swoops too.

There’s a number of ECB and LC vehicles to be done too. So far 51-54, 591-594, 940, 941, 943, 946, 947 are in the new ECB livery.

55-56 are away just now, 57 is at Seafield (again for what is likely prep work), 58-65 you would think will be done next.

All of the Lothiancountry fleet (except for 181) are still to be done.
 
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but are there any plans to increase frequencies on some lines from 5 to 6 buses an hour, or dare I say it, even 8 buses an hour? Maybe these lines could receive special branding, just to market that fact a wee bit (some cities use the term "Metrobus", or in Denmark, lines with headways of 5-10 minutes are branded with the letter A, so 1A, 2A, 3A etc. and usually have a special livery). Currently, from what I can tell, most buses in Edinburgh run at intervals of either 12 or 20 minutes, though there's no real way to know into which "camp" a specific line falls. Reducing frequencies on some lines or branding those lines that have headways of 12 minutes or less might make the system a bit easier to use.

I'm not complaining, generally. 12 minute headways aren't bad and I really like Lothian buses in a lot of ways. I especially think that the system's simplicity, as well as website, timetables, maps and consistent service patterns make it very intuitive to use, so there's certainly a lot for Glaswegians and others to be jealous of. That said, for a city the size of Edinburgh, higher frequencies (every 10 minutes or less) would be great and the trams already run at 7-8 minute intervals, as far as I know.
 
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but are there any plans to increase frequencies on some lines from 5 to 6 buses an hour, or dare I say it, even 8 buses an hour? Maybe these lines could receive special branding, just to market that fact a wee bit (some cities use the term "Metrobus", or in Denmark, lines with headways of 5-10 minutes are branded with the letter A, so 1A, 2A, 3A etc. and usually have a special livery). Currently, from what I can tell, most buses in Edinburgh run at intervals of either 12 or 20 minutes, though there's no real way to know into which "camp" a specific line falls. Reducing frequencies on some lines or branding those lines that have headways of 12 minutes or less might make the system a bit easier to use.

I'm not complaining, generally. 12 minute headways aren't bad and I really like Lothian buses in a lot of ways. I especially think that the system's simplicity, as well as website, timetables, maps and consistent service patterns make it very intuitive to use, so there's certainly a lot for Glaswegians and others to be jealous of. That said, for a city the size of Edinburgh, higher frequencies (every 10 minutes or less) would be great and the trams already run at 7-8 minute intervals, as far as I know.
Routes like the 3 & 30 could definitely do with going back to every 10 minutes but i don’t see that happening until the driver situation is sorted, which it may already be
 

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I'm sure this has been asked before, but are there any plans to increase frequencies on some lines from 5 to 6 buses an hour, or dare I say it, even 8 buses an hour? Maybe these lines could receive special branding, just to market that fact a wee bit (some cities use the term "Metrobus", or in Denmark, lines with headways of 5-10 minutes are branded with the letter A, so 1A, 2A, 3A etc. and usually have a special livery). Currently, from what I can tell, most buses in Edinburgh run at intervals of either 12 or 20 minutes, though there's no real way to know into which "camp" a specific line falls. Reducing frequencies on some lines or branding those lines that have headways of 12 minutes or less might make the system a bit easier to use.

I'm not complaining, generally. 12 minute headways aren't bad and I really like Lothian buses in a lot of ways. I especially think that the system's simplicity, as well as website, timetables, maps and consistent service patterns make it very intuitive to use, so there's certainly a lot for Glaswegians and others to be jealous of. That said, for a city the size of Edinburgh, higher frequencies (every 10 minutes or less) would be great and the trams already run at 7-8 minute intervals, as far as I know.
I would likely to see better route integration in Edinburgh. I'm sure there are corridors where multiple routes combine to provide a cohesive frequency but this isn't advertised anywhere nor are there combined timetables. Route numbering could also be better in some cases.

I have to disagree about the Lothian website. The timetables are confusing and unclear while the use of "spider maps" for Network maps is something that should've been left in 2005. First Glasgow's network and route maps are much better, albeit their online timetables are just as confusing.
 

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I have to disagree about the Lothian website. The timetables are confusing and unclear while the use of "spider maps" for Network maps is something that should've been left in 2005. First Glasgow's network and route maps are much better, albeit their online timetables are just as confusing.
The geographically accurate maps used up to the launch of TfE were so much better. The expansion further into East Lothian as well as into West Lothian has made it virtually impossible for a geographic map to work in a practical scenario.
 

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The geographically accurate maps used up to the launch of TfE were so much better. The expansion further into East Lothian as well as into West Lothian has made it virtually impossible for a geographic map to work in a practical scenario.
Even the sections of the network down to Penicuik and Gorebridge aren't ideal, if you include them then you're forced to make all the rest of the map smaller to fit them in.
When I was drawing my geographical maps I started with just the area inside the bypass (with slight adjustments to make it fit onto a paper size), my second map was going to be the whole City network out to Seton Sands/Gorebridge/Balerno but the amount of blank space those sections introduced into the map meant it wouldn't have looked right.
(My geographic City map can be found here although I haven't updated it for some time. https://github.com/40414148/Lothian_Published)
 

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The geographically accurate maps used up to the launch of TfE were so much better. The expansion further into East Lothian as well as into West Lothian has made it virtually impossible for a geographic map to work in a practical scenario.
I agree although some of the sizing of the pre-TfE maps could've been improved, the route lines always seemed a bit too bulky which made it look cluttered. Ideally you'd have separate maps for East Lothian and West Lothian anyway.
 

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I'm sure this has been asked before, but are there any plans to increase frequencies on some lines from 5 to 6 buses an hour, or dare I say it, even 8 buses an hour? Maybe these lines could receive special branding, just to market that fact a wee bit (some cities use the term "Metrobus", or in Denmark, lines with headways of 5-10 minutes are branded with the letter A, so 1A, 2A, 3A etc. and usually have a special livery). Currently, from what I can tell, most buses in Edinburgh run at intervals of either 12 or 20 minutes, though there's no real way to know into which "camp" a specific line falls. Reducing frequencies on some lines or branding those lines that have headways of 12 minutes or less might make the system a bit easier to use.

I'm not complaining, generally. 12 minute headways aren't bad and I really like Lothian buses in a lot of ways. I especially think that the system's simplicity, as well as website, timetables, maps and consistent service patterns make it very intuitive to use, so there's certainly a lot for Glaswegians and others to be jealous of. That said, for a city the size of Edinburgh, higher frequencies (every 10 minutes or less) would be great and the trams already run at 7-8 minute intervals, as far as I know.
The 26 used to be 8 buses an hour. The 22 was also very regular prior to Covid. Other services (e.g. 3,31 and 44) haven't returned to pre covid levels but maybe will in time.
 

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The 26 used to be 8 buses an hour. The 22 was also very regular prior to Covid. Other services (e.g. 3,31 and 44) haven't returned to pre covid levels but maybe will in time.
Going back a bit, the 26 used to be every five minutes on the city section and every ten minutes through Musselburgh, where the route split to run to Seton Sands (26), Tranent via Prestonpans (also 26) and directly to Tranent (26A). This was back in 2000 when the first stage of the network revamp saw the 26/26A/X85/X86 corridor simplified to become the 26 and 26A and the route in Edinburgh city centre changed to run via St Andrew Square and London Road Instead of Waterloo Place and Regent Road.
 

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