TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

[Geeves]

I am sure this has been asked and I might well sound dumb but is there a reason for the constant MK5 shuffling? Is it to try get the coaches all with equal usage? Is every set now in service? Thanks!

 

[Watershed]

I am sure this has been asked and I might well sound dumb but is there a reason for the constant MK5 shuffling? Is it to try get the coaches all with equal usage? Is every set now in service? Thanks!

It's for maintenance cycling. Every set has now worked in passenger service AFAIK.

 

[47827]

Do you also happen to know how many Scarborough diagrams from those dates?

It was posted on here but think it's similar to now from May to December on the Scarborough useage but more through services to Liverpool and 5 or 6 sets on that line from December 2022 so doesn't look like Redcar/Saltburn will see any now.

 

[Liverpool 507]

Do you also happen to know how many Scarborough diagrams from those dates?

It’s been said that the Scarborough services will retain four diagrams, though nothing is confirmed.

It was posted on here but think it's similar to now from May to December on the Scarborough useage but more through services to Liverpool and 5 or 6 sets on that line from December 2022 so doesn't look like Redcar/Saltburn will see any now.

One diagram has been rumoured for the Saltburn services to allow for traction retention. However nothing confirmed.

 

[Fokx]

So it doesn't look like Redcar/Saltburn will see any now.

That’s right.

Saltburn will now see 2x185 operation instead with the Nova 3 fleet on Liverpool to Scarborough and Cleethropes. At least that’s the current plan going forward as of the May/Dec 22 timetable changes

 

[xotGD]

It was posted on here but think it's similar to now from May to December on the Scarborough useage but more through services to Liverpool and 5 or 6 sets on that line from December 2022 so doesn't look like Redcar/Saltburn will see any now.

It’s been said that the Scarborough services will retain four diagrams, though nothing is confirmed.


One diagram has been rumoured for the Saltburn services to allow for traction retention. However nothing confirmed.

That’s right.

Saltburn will now see 2x185 operation instead with the Nova 3 fleet on Liverpool to Scarborough and Cleethropes. At least that’s the current plan going forward as of the May/Dec 22 timetable changes

Thank you all for the gen.

 

[Mollman]

Nope.

2x Liverpool to Cleethropes diagrams from May 2022
6x Liverpool to Cleethorpes diagrams from Dec 2022

Ok, I stand (from the outside) corrected

That’s right.

Saltburn will now see 2x185 operation instead with the Nova 3 fleet on Liverpool to Scarborough and Cleethropes. At least that’s the current plan going forward as of the May/Dec 22 timetable changes

Lets hope it is better than the 2x185s to Hull which quickly became 1x185!

 

[geoffk]

Is it the Saltburn service which will go to Manchester Airport from December 22? The Mcr Recovery timetable just shows "Leeds".

 

[Watershed]

Is it the Saltburn service which will go to Manchester Airport from December 22? The Mcr Recovery timetable just shows "Leeds".

Yes. It's just an extension of the existing Redcar service (albeit with one extra 'cycle' as there is a long turnaround at Saltburn).

 

[Terry Williams]

Any news of 12802 (Out of TP02) entering service any time soon please?
Or might I be shaving with it in 2002.!

MTIA and seasonal greetings to all.

 

[JonathanH]

Any news of 12802 (Out of TP02) entering service any time soon please?

It is the spare coach and stored at Newport, away from the TPE network. It has passed aceptance and could be used if necessary. Why does it need to enter service until such time as another 128xx coach has a mishap?

I think I am suggesting that it looks like it could wait for some time because there is no need to use it. TP02 is formed with 12814 - needing to replace 12814 with 12802 is only really OCD. Clearly if 12802 were to enter service, another would be stored.

 

[Roger B]

It is the spare coach and stored at Newport, away from the TPE network. It has passed aceptance and could be used if necessary. Why does it need to enter service until such time as another 128xx coach has a mishap?

I think I am suggesting that it looks like it could wait for some time because there is no need to use it. TP02 is formed with 12814 - needing to replace 12814 with 12802 is only really OCD. Clearly if 12802 were to enter service, another would be stored.

And if the next 128xx needs prolonged maintenance / repair is one other than 12814, then that may be replaced with 12802 - which would be easier 0perationally than swapping 12802 for 128014, and then swapping 12814 for the miscreant 128xx. But it would create another new stock formation, and there may be technical reasons why that's to be avoided - in which case 12814 will continue to be the car shuffled around between sets.

 

[Mollman]

Another Mk5 Crewe - Longsight move:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K06310/2021-12-21/detailed

 

[sbrignall72]

Does anyone know which set is at Gascoigne Wood, as seen it on Friday. Last post on here states tp08, but that set is in operation today.

 

[sjpowermac]

Does anyone know which set is at Gascoigne Wood, as seen it on Friday. Last post on here states tp08, but that set is in operation today.

68019/TP04 arrived Gascoigne Wood 24.01.2022. Hope that helps.

 

[sbrignall72]

68019/TP04 arrived Gascoigne Wood 24.01.2022. Hope that helps.

That is very helpful. Thank you

 

[Peter Sarf]

Today I learnt from a friend that set TP12 (11512, 12734, 12735, 12736 & 12812) with 68024 has moved this morning to Wolverton from Walton Old Junction.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K01142/2022-03-12/detailed

Are either of these locations a usual place for TPE Mk5s to be kept ?. Or has TP12 gone into deep hibernation ?.

There does appear to be a return working but maybe this is just the locomotive ?.

Realtime Trains | 512Y 1338 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs | 12/03/2022

Real-time train running information for 512Y 1338 departure from Wolverton Centre Sidings to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs on 12/03/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Which a bit late or is not going to run !.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Today I learnt from a friend that set TP12 (11512, 12734, 12735, 12736 & 12812) with 68024 has moved this morning to Wolverton from Walton Old Junction.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K01142/2022-03-12/detailed

Are either of these locations a usual place for TPE Mk5s to be kept ?. Or has TP12 gone into deep hibernation ?.

There does appear to be a return working but maybe this is just the locomotive ?.

Realtime Trains | 512Y 1338 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs | 12/03/2022

Real-time train running information for 512Y 1338 departure from Wolverton Centre Sidings to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs on 12/03/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Which a bit late or is not going to run !.

That’s been cancelled now.

 

[Peter Sarf]

That’s been cancelled now.

So. How many TPE sets are at Wolverton ?.

Is this the first one or is it part of the normal rotation of Mk5 sets ?.

 

[CAF397]

That’s been cancelled now.

Very much ran. 68021 instead of 68024.

https://twitter.com/Burbagefox1/status/1502611882162667526?t=F9xQhrFajWBN5jXb4yyyNw&s=19

 

[68011]

Very much ran.

https://twitter.com/Burbagefox1/status/1502611882162667526?t=F9xQhrFajWBN5jXb4yyyNw&s=19

He was referring to the return path from Wolverton which was cancelled.

There are now 2 sets at Wolverton, 68027 / TP09 being the other.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

He was referring to the return path from Wolverton which was cancelled.

There are now 2 sets at Wolverton, 68027 / TP09 being the other.

Sorry, yes, 5Q35 was cancelled.

 

[Peter Sarf]

He was referring to the return path from Wolverton which was cancelled.

There are now 2 sets at Wolverton, 68027 / TP09 being the other.

Thanks for that. So I hope that means that it is usually one set in and one set out. I am hoping to try and see them all this year and my fear was that one or more of the sets might be (very) long term stored at somewhere like Wolverton.

 

[sjpowermac]

Thanks for that. So I hope that means that it is usually one set in and one set out. I am hoping to try and see them all this year and my fear was that one or more of the sets might be (very) long term stored at somewhere like Wolverton.

As I understand it, it will usually be one set in, one set out.

 

[Peter Sarf]

As I understand it, it will usually be one set in, one set out.

Thanks for the information.

 

[tpjm]

Plenty of mods taking place on the sets as they cycle through Wolverton, not least the replacement of the Harting Plug with something a bit tougher. Should be some decent improvements when they return both from a customer experience and reliability perspective.

 

[Halish Railway]

Plenty of mods taking place on the sets as they cycle through Wolverton, not least the replacement of the Harting Plug with something a bit tougher. Should be some decent improvements when they return both from a customer experience and reliability perspective.

Is this something related to the suspension?

 

[tpjm]

Is this something related to the suspension?

No. It's the coach <> locomotive data connection.

 

[507020]

Are either of these locations a usual place for TPE Mk5s to be kept?

There were a number of Mk5a rakes at Walton Old Jn when I went there

 

[sjpowermac]

Is this something related to the suspension?

The Harting plug is top left in this picture.